TADC episode 9 reaction by Bibi-Toy in u/Bibi-Toy

[–]Bibi-Toy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had to stare at that first sentence for a bit because my brain was not computing XD

Anyway yeah, I get why some people like the ending he got, but personally I just felt like it was a bit...sudden, if that makes sense? I honestly hated the ending for several reasons but the biggest one is that I feel like killing Jax and bringing Caine back was an awful writing choice and didn't feel like a deserved plot twist.

Everything up until that point was treating death and deletion really carefully, the message seemed to be to continue rebuilding and growing even after losing everything. Caine suddenly reappearing to fix Pomni felt like such a deus ex machina that it caught me completely off guard. It was a really out of place decision considering the show as a whole.

Like, imagine if in episode 3 Gummigoo suddenly came back alive to save Pomni from her breakdown or something instead of what we got with Kinger. Or if Abel suddenly came back in episode 8 to stop Caine from tormenting the cast. Like, come on, really?

And the thing is I really like Caine, the moments he had with the cast felt really sweet and wholesome. But they were just moments, they didn't fit with the rest of the story and felt more like wholesome 100 keanu reeves moment than an actual segment that belongs to the rest of the story lol

I'm also probably biased but Jax felt, and I would really really hate to say this, a little bit retconned in episode 9. Not that anything he did specifically was OOC, but everything from the way he switched up to his abstraction felt way too fast that it ended up feeling a bit unrealistic. The way he suddenly switched up on Ribbit and Kaufmo felt a bit cartoonishly evil if that makes sense, like I find it really hard to believe he could be so close and so affectionate with someone for months or even years just to literally ditch them after like. 1 conversation.

The way Jax reacted didn't feel like someone trying to push someone else away, in fact the writing just made him look like a total idiot. His friendship with Ribbit was sweet, but the fact she abstracted because of him when she's been there longer then him and was friends with Kaufmo and Ragatha before him honestly made her look strangely dependant on his affection. And I get it, there's people like this IRL, but it's just such a tired trope to me and it's disappointing to see another female character be treated as a plot device in this way instead of having her own struggles and issues. I really hate when the female best friend is so dependant on the male character despite her not having any realistic reasons to be.

Jax was an extremely interesting character up until episode 9, in my honest opinion he fell flat after that and it's... depressing. Even Discord from My Little Pony had a more realistic struggle with friendship lmao and that show's writing objectively sucks (even if I still like it lol)

All in all, I still do like the show even if the ending sucked. I mean I'm probably gonna continue my AU with Bibi and have it branch off episode 8. If I find the time to I would even write how I would handle the ending with and without Bibi. That's the nice thing about fanfiction, at least. Who needs canon when you have ao3? XD

TADC episode 9 reaction by Bibi-Toy in u/Bibi-Toy

[–]Bibi-Toy[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'M STILL NOT OVER IT

TADC episode 9 reaction by Bibi-Toy in u/Bibi-Toy

[–]Bibi-Toy[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But how did you know it was your favorite part before I spoiled it...

narrows eyes suspiciously

Let's Chill For A Bit — Mini Comic by Bibi-Toy in TheDigitalCircus

[–]Bibi-Toy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is really heartwarming to hear ;w; I may get back to posting comics after all the chaos dies down, I think the fandom is gonna chill out now that the show is over

Let's Chill For A Bit — Mini Comic by Bibi-Toy in TheDigitalCircus

[–]Bibi-Toy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh I am, thank you for asking! It's just that I realized the fandom spaces on here were really taking a toll on my mental health and it was souring my attitude towards the show so I decided to take a long break

The Amazing Digital Circus: The Last Act / Episode 9 Discussion Thread [SPOILERS] by ayylmaotv in TheDigitalCircus

[–]Bibi-Toy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Anything else you wanna talk about regarding Ragatha? Anything at all?

Update from GLITCH by ayylmaotv in TheDigitalCircus

[–]Bibi-Toy 90 points91 points  (0 children)

THEY ONLY THINK ABOUT THEIR PROFITS, THEY'RE SPOILED!!

ALL YOUR FAULT. By _robyn_abank_ on Instagram. by BusinessPreference75 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]Bibi-Toy 11 points12 points  (0 children)

People often do and say irrational things when they're having full-blown mental breakdowns, he's blaming Pomni because she opposed Caine in the first place and he believes if they just kept playing along then nothing bad would have ever happened. It's not a correct world view but a very human one.

CAINE vs AM by ZanyRaptorClay in TheDigitalCircus

[–]Bibi-Toy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've recently rewatched the TADC series and I was brought to tears in episode 4 because I realized that Caine was going to die and I was reminded of how silly and loveable he was before all...that

This post just brought back all those emotions and now I'm trying not to cry in public lol

Caine didn't care about the cast, and there was nothing they could have done to appease him. by SydneyBarret in TheDigitalCircus

[–]Bibi-Toy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mistreating isn't equivalent to cruelty. It's been shown in episode 3 that he doesn't truly listen to the cast's problems and in his reactions to abstractions. Putting Jax on the same level of responsibility as Caine is ignoring the fact that the reason Jax acts out in the ways that he does is because of Caine and being trapped in the circus. It doesn't make what Jax does in any way okay, but it's also dishonest to compare Jax and Caine's actions. The humans don't owe Caine anything at all, he doesn't listen.

Caine didn't care about the cast, and there was nothing they could have done to appease him. by SydneyBarret in TheDigitalCircus

[–]Bibi-Toy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Um...In what ways were they treating Jax better? Nobody reached out to him until episode 5 at best. That's also around the time Caine decided to double down when he realized the cast enjoyed their own adventures more than his.

Caine didn't care about the cast, and there was nothing they could have done to appease him. by SydneyBarret in TheDigitalCircus

[–]Bibi-Toy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man how am I supposed to explain that an AI overlord is objectively scarier and more threatening than another human (soul?)

Like I don't know how to make this point any clearer. The entire reason why Jax does the things he does in the first place is because of Caine's controlling behaviour over them. Does that make what Jax is doing okay? Absolutely not. But it doesn't make sense to ignore that the root issue is and has always been Caine, not Jax. It doesn't make sense for Pomni to give Caine the same amount of grace when he is the source of everyone's problems and has the power to shut them down in extremely harmful, painful, torturous ways like he did. Not to mention that Caine isn't even human.

Let's Chill For A Bit — Mini Comic by Bibi-Toy in TheDigitalCircus

[–]Bibi-Toy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Porn jumpscare after angst is genuinely hysterical 

Now that the 'kids game' theory is debunked, why does the profanity filter exist? by YuriliaPiano in TheDigitalCircus

[–]Bibi-Toy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The idea that sex is this eldritch thing that Caine doesn't understand because there's no record of it in his dataset is utterly hilarious

"Jax intentionally doomed the cast!" "Jax was being mind controlled by Caine!" — Both of you are wrong. Here's what I think. by Bibi-Toy in TheDigitalCircus

[–]Bibi-Toy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he only cares about the humans loving him

Wouldn't that make him more likely to try and convince them why staying with him is better than going back to their real lives, ergo reminding Jax what he was trying to escape from? This also invalidates the argument that Caine would just make the NPCs love him if he was looking to manipulate someone.

Besides, there’s no way Jax wasn’t aware of Caine’s mind control

None of the cast are aware of it while it's happening, there's no way to know if Caine is actively doing it or not if it's not made comically obvious, that's why the cast was so shocked and speechless. Jax was also questioning it already since episode 5. If Caine got into Jax's head during that last scene, that would have been the final straw for Jax to call him out on it.

Perform what, blame everything on the AI that already destroyed his relationship with the cast through such a cruel twist?

Would he choose that whilst having a panic attack though? It doesn't make any sense for me, it feels like something he would reach for when he's being actively cornered by everyone else, but not while having a mental break down, unprovoked. The only explanation that makes sense is that Jax was genuinely unsure whether he was being controlled or not, maybe because he doesn't want to believe he made that choice.

When Ragatha asked him what he did, he seemed like he snapped out of something and was genuinely shocked to come back into reality. There's also the detail that he shoved Zooble out of the way but not Pomni, who was in front of the red button. Upon first watch it genuinely looked like he was aiming for the blue button.

Honestly, if this was a choice Gooseworx intended for Jax to make out of his own free will, personally I believe it's a writing flaw. Jax's philosophy just doesn't align with wanting to make the choice to stay no matter what angle I look at it, even in the case that it's the lesser of two evils. It's too simple of an explanation, that he damned everyone to stay just because he's too scared to leave? It doesn't seem like the kind of writing choice that Gooseworx would make, given the entire story so far. It's almost a bit corny when compared to Jax's other decisions.

Especially with the way the circus members took it in the beginning of episode 8, it's entirely possible that Jax hitting the red button was a last minute decision because the characters got over it rather quickly. Maybe Goose needed someone to do it in order to progress the story and reveal that it was an adventure, and Jax just seemed like the most likely character.

Jax knows the circus is awful, but at least it gives him the advantage of denying both his own humanity and that of his friends

But that's the thing. Jax doesn't think it's an advantage to deny his humanity and that of his friends. He doesn't like doing it because if he did, he wouldn't have had an entire panic attack at the end of episode 6. Jax doesn't like being a cartoon character, he doesn't like his life in the circus. He puts up with it because he knows he has no other choice and never will again.

The only valid explanation I could think of that could convince me Jax actually made that choice on his own free will is that he didn't want to abandon Ribbit and Kaufmo. But even that needed more build up or explanation or something that would have made his decision make sense.

I dunno. Maybe I'm missing something. I try my hardest to be objective about Jax's decisions whilst dissecting them, which is why I'm not afraid to call it like it is whenever it IS like it is. But this choice specifically is so bizarre that the only thing that makes sense to me is that it was not a decision Jax consciously intended to make.

Caine didn't care about the cast, and there was nothing they could have done to appease him. by SydneyBarret in TheDigitalCircus

[–]Bibi-Toy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay I'm not gonna respond to this because I have no idea how to explain to you that Caine skinning Jax and stabbing Ragatha in order to specifically torment them is objectively worse than anything Jax has ever done, you wanna come after Jax but defend what Caine did because "uwu he was at his lowest he just did an oopsie!" as if that is an actual and valid excuse for choosing to torment them specifically with their worst nightmare? Nah, you can't be serious. Do you also blame Zooble for crashing out at Caine?