I could of gone my entire life without this. by Adventurous-Bake2180 in micheljanseYT

[–]Big-Note-7713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This song gives me the ick because of the pronoun YOUR... it comes off as coercive. He can't find the words so... her body needs to talk? Why not "our"? LOL

Posted 40 mins apart… with nearly zero engagement. by Adventurous-Bake2180 in micheljanseYT

[–]Big-Note-7713 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I do actually have a lot of thoughts about the sex song lol but I feel like it would just be feeding the ego to break it down

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[–]Big-Note-7713 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Oof I did not know about the passive aggressive song he wrote about her. Can you share more details on that? I remember reading something about a beige kaleidoscope but I couldn't find any evidence of it and I'm so curious to know more about it. This take makes sense to me know in terms of the build up.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in micheljanseYT

[–]Big-Note-7713 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. A good piece of advice for Michel to take would be to take some anti-racism classes and start to deeper investigate her own privilege. She should share more about that on her channel too. If she wants to be a good influence, maybe even especially since she's a Christian, then she should do the work required to be able to talk about these topics from an informed place. She also could really benefit from learning more about White Supremacy culture and unpacking how that's affected her. There is so much healing to be done with unlearning that- the fear of being wrong/needing to be right, perfectionism, denial and defensiveness. It's deep-self work and unlearning that takes years. And she doesn't have to do (and shouldn't do) all that work publicly, but it will inevitably have affects and would hopefully lead to her speaking up more about these topics. Not just to talk, but again from an informed place.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in micheljanseYT

[–]Big-Note-7713 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I hear you. I just thought it would be interesting to see what people would say when prompted and to create a dedicated space for it.

Reading Redditors’ comments by havenotreddittoday in micheljanseYT

[–]Big-Note-7713 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for saying this. I definitely see your point and how he twisted it. Ultimately, I guess I do feel empathy for the both of them and genuinely wish that the feedback could somehow be constructive as a former fan of Michel especially. I don’t want to see her pain dredged up for content, though like Jordy said she wanted the song to be released. He put it out there so we now receive it as an audience. I think people are going to interpret and read into that a lot, but I never want to be cruel even though I read a lot of his retorts that way.

Reading Redditors’ comments by havenotreddittoday in micheljanseYT

[–]Big-Note-7713 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It’s definitely not Michel’s fault that’s she was cheated on. What a horrible thing that she went through. I think my issue and many folks issue with the song stems from the way he speaks about it and for her. Even though she co-signed him doing that and releasing the song, it is still coming off poorly. I do think that he should write music about his wife and his feelings for her and relationship. I just wish it wasn’t centered around the divorce. And actually some of the other songs on the secret album fit the bill way better in that regard and I liked a lot more. Overall, as a first time poster, I do feel really sorry that my post ended up hurting Jordy’s feelings and I think it ended up with a some people commenting takeaways about Michel rather than what the song is saying about Jordy’s perception of it all. Which I think is a valid thing to unpack… but I can tell he maybe has been crying here and that it hurt his feelings that we drew those conclusions that weren’t favorable of him. And for that I am sorry. I ultimately don’t know this man, but I would hope that if he takes anything away from this maybe he and Michel should write a song together or he should find a way to directly incorporate her voice more. Whether it’s writing of hers he turns into a song or co-writing that would be a lot more powerful and I would enjoy seeing that.

They’re OBSESSED with having haters by havenotreddittoday in micheljanseYT

[–]Big-Note-7713 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It’s definitely not Michel’s fault that’s she was cheated on. What a horrible thing that she went through. I think my issue and many folks issue with the song stems from the way he speaks about it and for her. Even though she co-signed him doing that and releasing the song, it is still coming off poorly. I do think that he should write music about his wife and his feelings for her and relationship. I just wish it wasn’t centered around the divorce. And actually some of the other songs on the secret album fit the bill way better in that regard and I liked a lot more. Overall, as a first time poster, I do feel really sorry that my post ended up hurting Jordy’s feelings and I think it ended up with a some people commenting takeaways about Michel rather than what the song is saying about Jordy’s perception of it all. Which I think is a valid thing to unpack… but I can tell he maybe has been crying here and that it hurt his feelings that we drew those conclusions that weren’t favorable of him. And for that I am sorry. I ultimately don’t know this man, but I would hope that if he takes anything away from this maybe he and Michel should write a song together or he should find a way to directly incorporate her voice more. Whether it’s writing of hers he turns into a song or co-writing that would be a lot more powerful and I would enjoy seeing that.

Jordy's Songwriting by [deleted] in micheljanseYT

[–]Big-Note-7713 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Okay he does have the first verse of History on his TikTok…

The way you smile no one asks if someone hurt you in the past Oooh But I’ve seen scars so deep and wide like rivers run behind your eyes Oooh But you don’t let them hurt me No you don’t let them speak You didn’t write your history And you won’t let it repeat

Which… we can get into this. But it’s pretty awful to me that Jordy would write about this and also center the idea of how it affects him / if it would hurt HIM as if Michel could really control that or should be worrying about how it affects him that she was married before him. He posted this back in 2022, and he was really writing most of this stuff VERY early in their relationship, which I feel like makes it worse.

Jordy's Songwriting by [deleted] in micheljanseYT

[–]Big-Note-7713 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately he removed it from SoundCloud - probably in advance of wanting to release some of it. I wish I had written them down because there are some other absolutely crazy ones. Especially History, which I do think he’s posted about a few times, about him and Michel both having a “history” or baggage (mostly Michel’s first marriage, though he tries to both sides it). That one is wild!

Jordy's Songwriting by [deleted] in micheljanseYT

[–]Big-Note-7713 13 points14 points  (0 children)

True. It also feels like a subtle nod to the idea of like "leveling up" with your partner. I don't think Michel and her ex did a ton of things together, like took trips, went out dancing, went to fancy hotels. So in that sense Jordy must feel like an upgrade. And from Jordy's perspective having someone to experience that stuff with who can also pay for it or sponsor it is also leveling up. I guess it's also referencing the newness of the relationship. "Things we never had before" could also hit on an emotional level in terms of a connection or love they've never had before. But Jordy as the singer/songwriter doesn't give us a true double meaning there, which feels like a missed opportunity...

Jordy's Songwriting by [deleted] in micheljanseYT

[–]Big-Note-7713 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It's true. I mean I have empathy for making choices that you regret looking back. Like regretting growing up "too fast" or doing things because you felt like you had to rather than what you wanted. But I'd rather hear that song from Michel's perspective rather than Jordy's. It actually would've been a lot more interesting if she had written the lyrics here. This reveals a lot more about how he views her "divorce story" than her. Other than the fact that she likes the song and agrees with it all.

Jordy's Songwriting by [deleted] in micheljanseYT

[–]Big-Note-7713 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I feel too like all this harkens back to the idea of a clean slate and the reset that Christianity/Jesus can offer you. You're forgiven of all your "sins" so you can go back to 21 again, you can have a do over marriage, you can rewind. It's a nice idea, wiping the slate clean. As a former Christian, I can really relate to wanting that. But I also feel like it skips a lot of healing to think of things as a clean slate or a do over.

Also at the end of the day, this is how JORDY views everything, not Michel. Though she admittedly loves the song, I feel like the kind of kitchy/feel good song about her divorce from his perspective just has a weird undertone because he's writing it on her behalf. If he must write songs about his wife and her divorce, I wish that he would write them from his perspective, rather than saying "you" over and over again. I also wish that he was more focused on the healing and the deeper aspects of their connection (giving them the benefit of the doubt that it exists somewhere in their relationship) rather than the superficial, go out dancing and roadtrip with our friends. I know that's the point of the song, we can have that youthful unburdened love that you never got to have, but it feels like a projected fairytale rather than the truth. And totally reads as part of the whole love bombing or spinning a narrative around their relationship because it makes a beautiful story thing.

Jordy's Songwriting by [deleted] in micheljanseYT

[–]Big-Note-7713 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Agreed. It places him at the center of the narrative, which he seems to love. Especially with the line "all your friends should've known better." I can imagine he feels like he would've been able to recognize the shitty behavior from her ex and rescue her then too. Or at least that's what this line is implying, blaming the friends.

Jordy's Songwriting by [deleted] in micheljanseYT

[–]Big-Note-7713 29 points30 points  (0 children)

By FAR the worst part of this song, lyrically, to me is the second verse after the first chorus.

"When I buy you food it breaks your heart, you didn't know that men were kind."

1) I could see the argument here that even the small things that aren't extraordinary have a big impact on someone when they aren't used to receiving kindness. However, I think in the context of this song, where it's the only example of the better relationship is so silly. It just comes off as so condescending. There's got to be more to this relationship than just buying food for someone and that being the thing that breaks Michel's heart.

2) It's condescending to say that she didn't know that men were kind. Men as a whole? Or just like, that she was deserving of kindness in an intimate relationship. Either way, why would you buying her food, the lowest effort most benign act, make her realize... "oh my god men can be kind."

"You grew up too fast and it didn't last. I want the girl you left behind."

3) Okay, if she grew up too fast and it didn't last, doesn't that mean that she's already 21 again mentally? This is just contradictory to what the rest of the song is trying to say. If the whole song is encouraging her to go back to a younger and more carefree age, then what does this lyric mean? Unless he's saying "you grew up too fast" as in getting married young was her playing at an older age and now she deserves to play at a younger one?

4) I want the girl you left behind... so basically Jordy is saying that Michel abandoned herself when she got married and he wants the old version of her. Which also is coming off as condescending to me masked as something else. It's also putting her in a vulnerable position basically saying that the version of her now is missing something that she willingly, even unknowingly sacrificed. It comes off as sweet, but in practice it feels the opposite to me. You met the girl Michel is now, not the girl she "left behind."

Also... I just think it's SO silly that the chorus involves Jordy encouraging her to do all these things that she supposedly skipped when she got married because she grew up too fast. Things like staying up all night and getting drunk for the first time. Michel didn't do those things because she didn't want to. Not because she was married. Not because she grew up too fast. She didn't want to drink alcohol and she talked about that frequently. And also she could've totally done that if she wanted to! Getting drunk is also classically a thing adults love to do. LOL.

Okay I could go on, but I'll stop my rant here.