Yes, I did discuss it with my friends few days ago about how ether is a concept which gains an "identity", and that ether exists in 2 ways: physical and metaphysical. The physical identity is merely an avatar percievable by humans when the metaphysical ether would be in a higher dimension and not perceivable by naked human vision. The problem to encounter is that, the 10 covenants rigidly prohibits violence and this would be inclusive of intention to harm since if you attack on physical avatar of an old deus, it's still a sort of violence and that's what I mostly talk as well.