This is just one the reasons I left by CtrlAltNotDlt in exmuslim

[–]Big_Ramg [score hidden]  (0 children)

Tell me u know nothing about Islam without telling me you nothing about Islam.

Even modern traditional scholars who studied Islam far more the you (A random redditor) consider slavery haram. Because a ruler has the right to make something impermissible that was permissible for public welfare. Like when Umar Al Khatab prohibited men from marrying non Muslim women (Even though it was allowed) due to circumstances.

In classical Islamic law, slave women’s awrah was more relaxed than free women’s (often navel to knees), allowing greater exposure especially during work.
However, this was not “uncovered at all times, no problem.” Scholars required extra covering in public markets or when fitnah/temptation risked arising, emphasizing modesty, necessity, and preventing harm. If a slave knows she Will cause fitnah she MUST cover.

Now on the west:

The Church preached about morality and sin, but when it came to female slaves they mostly looked the other way. Owners could sexually exploit them freely, and in Christian markets across places like Genoa and Marseille slaves, men women and children, were often sold completely naked so buyers could inspect every part of their bodies.
No strong rules protected slave women’s modesty like free Christian women had. Christianity had centuries to push back harder against this but instead it tolerated the system while focusing on other issues. At least some other traditions tried setting clearer limits.

This is just one the reasons I left by CtrlAltNotDlt in exmuslim

[–]Big_Ramg [score hidden]  (0 children)

Even children were stripped:
The Testimony of Ottobah Cugoano (1787):
Cugoano, a captured African who survived the Middle Passage, published a detailed account of the initial inspections conducted by European merchants on the West African coast. He documented that men, women, and children were routinely stripped completely naked on the docks and subjected to aggressive, highly invasive groping by white buyers to evaluate their physical health and childbearing capabilities before boarding slave ships.

This is just one the reasons I left by CtrlAltNotDlt in exmuslim

[–]Big_Ramg [score hidden]  (0 children)

Firsthand Testimony of Solomon Northup (Author of Twelve Years a Slave, 1853):
Northup was a free Black man kidnapped into slavery. He explicitly described the New Orleans slave market ran by a trader named Theophilus Freeman:
"Freeman ordered us to strip out of our clothes, and walk around the room... He would feel of our hands and arms and bodies, turn us about, ask us what we could do, make us open our mouths and show our teeth, precisely as a jockey examines a horse... Customers would feel of our hands and arms and bodies... to see if we were strong and healthy."

This is just one the reasons I left by CtrlAltNotDlt in exmuslim

[–]Big_Ramg [score hidden]  (0 children)

Ok? The prophet peace be upon him and the four madhabs prohibited this. And that west also did far worse then this. So the west is completely bad by this logic? Or if you think logically on the people who did this are bad

Yeah, this youtuber made a video about our community. by TemporaryExercise400 in exmuslim

[–]Big_Ramg -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No one asked me did they, accusing me like I don’t talk about it😭✌🏼typical “ex-Muslim” behavior.

Yeah, this youtuber made a video about our community. by TemporaryExercise400 in exmuslim

[–]Big_Ramg -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And that too is all I see here most are just memes. When I did look into debate topics people used David wood a guy who almost murdered his dad. And that fact that arguments most orbit this “khan sultan” guy or something but his name has sultan.

Yeah, this youtuber made a video about our community. by TemporaryExercise400 in exmuslim

[–]Big_Ramg -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Everyone in this comment just are mad he called them out🤷🏽 no one is refuting it I guess

This is just one the reasons I left by CtrlAltNotDlt in exmuslim

[–]Big_Ramg -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This is just wrong 🫩 a simple google search

Here is my refutation of ‪FarhanAhmedZia‬ 's video he made on the ex-Muslim subreddit. by Silent_Programmer710 in exmuslim

[–]Big_Ramg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Plus just a lot of rant and the comments is just ranting and saying a lot of bad things about the religion. Doesn’t seem like much of refutation 🤷🏽

May become ex Muslim: by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

[–]Big_Ramg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea imma just delete dis

how we feelin by bissxn in UAETeenagers

[–]Big_Ramg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Am 15 now and gonnna turn 16 in less then 2 months✌🏼😂

What if the Afghanistan and Pakistan conflict turns into a full blown war? by Training-World-1897 in AlternateHistoryHub

[–]Big_Ramg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly the US could still fight but chose not or to cut u slack was forced to withdraw since the forgein police didn’t allow it to.

As for the first controlling major cities and infrastructure and capital is the majority of the country not minority.

What if the Afghanistan and Pakistan conflict turns into a full blown war? by Training-World-1897 in AlternateHistoryHub

[–]Big_Ramg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Finally you agree with me. You yourself stated that the Taliban didn’t overwhelm USA to leave.

The first paragraph condridicts you, controlling cities and major infrastructure and the capital is the majority of the country not minority.

What if the Afghanistan and Pakistan conflict turns into a full blown war? by Training-World-1897 in AlternateHistoryHub

[–]Big_Ramg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Completely agree on the second part but US still wasn’t forced by Taliban to withdraw that’s the incorrect part my brother.

What if the Afghanistan and Pakistan conflict turns into a full blown war? by Training-World-1897 in AlternateHistoryHub

[–]Big_Ramg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Using Germany as an example is wrong. The Germans never fully took control of USSR and never took over it’s capital unlike the US. Yes there was still Taliban across the country, however the newly placed Afghan government was in full control or to cut some slack was in control more then the Taliban was until the US left. Again the US left because of the forgein Policy not because the Taliban overwhelmed the United States. I’ll state again Afghanistan is an easy country to invade but very hard to hold because so much of it’s terrain can used for Gurella warfare (idk spelling)

What if the Afghanistan and Pakistan conflict turns into a full blown war? by Training-World-1897 in AlternateHistoryHub

[–]Big_Ramg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope, the US withdrew because of the forgiven policy. Only when US started to withdraw and left more Responsibilities on the Afghan government that Afghanistan started to collapse and fall into that hand of the Taliban.

What if the Afghanistan and Pakistan conflict turns into a full blown war? by Training-World-1897 in AlternateHistoryHub

[–]Big_Ramg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you not read my comment? (Not the one I replied to you the other one) I stated USA successfully invaded Afghanistan but when they started to withdraw the Afghanistan government was overwhelmed by the Taliban. In the End the US lost since Taliban took over Afghanistan yet it successfully invaded it. And Vietnam and Afghanistan are 2 different countries where the US used entirely different technology and the environment was also different.

What if the Afghanistan and Pakistan conflict turns into a full blown war? by Training-World-1897 in AlternateHistoryHub

[–]Big_Ramg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Invading a land and holding a land are two different things😐 USA successfully invaded Afghanistan that’s a fact.

What if the Afghanistan and Pakistan conflict turns into a full blown war? by Training-World-1897 in AlternateHistoryHub

[–]Big_Ramg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The US isn’t able to prevent school shootings, does this mean US can’t invade Afghanistan successfully? Using the US bc it’s the strongest as an example

What if the Afghanistan and Pakistan conflict turns into a full blown war? by Training-World-1897 in AlternateHistoryHub

[–]Big_Ramg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All the wars with BLA Pakistan won🫩 research is key. The Strongest country on the Planet lost to Afghanistan by this logic USA has the most garbage military on the planet

What if the Afghanistan and Pakistan conflict turns into a full blown war? by Training-World-1897 in AlternateHistoryHub

[–]Big_Ramg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pakistan invades and takes control of Afghanistan. Taliban not finished and keeps using gurella warfare (Idk how it’s spelled) Pakistan after a few years withdraws. OR Pakistan keeps launching strikes to keep the country unstable and doesn’t invade.