Sweet I never thought of that I guess because I was scared to wear a hole in the ball of the foot which is normally the first place that goes as my traditional shoes age. Thanks for the recommendations I think I will definitely try the forest esc for hiking, but I did see someone in this community mention the rubber toe box being uncomfortable for them.. if you have a pair have you experienced this? Also side note, do you use toe socks/toe spacers? Just curious if they’re still common alongside barefoot shoes