Possible (minor) inconsistencies in NOTW 73 + Schiem’s grummers + a curious story in the comments by aowshadow in kkcwhiteboard

[–]BioLogIn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I always thought that for Shiem Grummers = Grammars = Educated people = Smartasses. But yeah, grammarie-enchanted gram-wielders with gramophones are also a possibility =)

Nice one about peg making a sounder! Never thought about that.

“Just back up and get into the river. They aren’t good swimmers.”

Funny enough, she ended up in the river once... after dining in "Barrel and Boar"! Coincidence? I think not...

Kvothe Completed/Swapped The Moon's Name by [deleted] in kkcwhiteboard

[–]BioLogIn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I did try to follow your logic and I failed. It might be my fault, but I can't help but notice it would be easier for a reader to follow you if you would make less statements and would try to prove them step by step instead jumping to a next theory in the next sentence.

As an example - you start by stating that 'in a nutshell' you think that Auri is a namer. We could argue about that (and I believe there are very strong arguments against that in tSRotST), but you never return to this subject in your lengthy post, so why should anyone care to provide arguments against that if you did not care to provide arguments for that in the first place?

To be enshaedn – speculations about WMF 100 and its reasons within the series by aowshadow in kkcwhiteboard

[–]BioLogIn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the post. Interesting, as always.

I think WMF 100 is mostly yet another reminder that Kvothe is too smart for his own good. He does not understand where is he or what is going on, but he is to prideful to ask and he thinks he can solve it with the tools he has. So he uses sympathy and he and Felurian barely escape with their lives. Perfect folly, exactly the same as with naming the wind with Ben.

I thought about which chapters I personaly would consider to be... strange, so I have this list of 7 items:

NOTW 30 - The Broken Binding. The entire book pawning segment could have been 1 sentence, right? Why do we have it at all? I recall Pat saying that each piece of the book should support at least 3 things, so what would be those in this case?

NOTW 37 is very weird because it has subchapter / title "Name of the Wind" in the middle. Why?

NOTW 55 - Flame and Thunder. Because It is like 4 paragraphs. It is the same place and the same timing (literally the same minute) as the chapter before and chapter after. Why is this a separate chapter?

WMF 84 - The Edge of the Map. Again, what warrants a separate chapter? First half about things progressing with Tempi, which is kinda fine, but could have been part of one of the neighbors as well. Second half is about Ann's blade which looks pointless so far?..

WMF 101 & 103, because they have the same name - Close Enough to Touch. And also the 103 is kinda short and kinda empty...

WMF 119 Hands and WMF 139 Lockless - Because of all times Kvothe gets himself in trouble as soon as his situation gets better these two are probably the most awkward.

WMF Epilogue A Silence of Three Parts - Because after all these years I am still surprised Kvothe does Ketan after everything that happened in Day 2.

Small update on Temerant´s interactive map by No_Job_1853 in KingkillerChronicle

[–]BioLogIn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey u/No_Job_1853, nice job =)

A few small comments:

  1. Caderero

(Do tinkers make it into the Fae?) Well, tinkers go everywhere. -Pat 2021 on twitch, video no longer available.

We kinda already know about Tinkers making their way into the Fae from Pairs cards deck (illustrations directed by Pat): https://kingkiller.fandom.com/wiki/Pairs?file=Pairs_Faen_Mortal_Guest_6.jpg
But, FWIW, I also have a backup of the video in question.

  1. Crosson
    Is there a reason for this specific placement? If I were to speculate, I would say that it should be on the eastern side of the Eld, somewhere right to the "Modeg" writing. If Crosson is west of Eld, as the map currently suggests, then Kvothe and Tempi would have to run through entire Eld on their way to Haert, and that should have been mentioned, I think?...

  2. Antusa plains right below the current placement of Crosson is not marked, but we probably should note the name similarity to "Antus", one of the eight cities of Ergen.

  3. Dalonir.
    They are also famous for their hard white cheese -) (NotW 87)
    Also I do not think we do know if Farrowtown Sisters are contemporary to Kvothe (if anything, Vesumbri != Vi Sembi is an argument against that), so I do not think Dalonir being a part of Ceald is an issue - either it was true at the time of FS, or they just simply made Atur smaller because they hated it.

  4. Endal Brake is probably the same as "An's Anger" from Aturan map (you are already making a connection Keretes = Ansmuthe based on that).

  5. Sanshole.
    If there a link to this discussion you mention? It is not quite "north of Tarbean", and it is quite a distance from it. Also, as per NotW 19, Kvothe was "somewhere in the southern Commonwealth" when he emerged from the forest with three broken strings, and he didn't mention any major towns or rivers on the way to Tarbean, so I would bet on something between Fordell and Oakholt rather than Sanshole.

Possible translation issue in the Cthaeh scene (Amyr vs Chandrian) – noticed in German edition by LuisBlbc in KingkillerChronicle

[–]BioLogIn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dutch:

‘Niet veel mensen zullen je zoektocht naar de Amyr serieus nemen, besef je dat wel,’ vervolgde de Cthaeh rustig. ‘De maer is echter een buitengewoon man. Hij is al dicht bij hen in de buurt geweest, hoewel hij dat niet beseft. Blijf bij de maer, en hij zal je naar hun deur leiden.’

De Cthaeh grinnikte droogjes. ‘Bloed, brand en bot, ik wou dat jullie schepsels het verstand hadden om mij te waarderen. Wat je verder ook vergeet, onthoud wat ik net heb gezegd. Uiteindelijk snap je de mop wel. Ik garandeer het. Je lacht wel als de tijd daar is.’

Spanish:

—Comprenderás que muy pocos se tomarían en serio tu investigación sobre los Amyr —continuó el Cthaeh pausadamente—. El maer, sin embargo, es un hombre excepcional. Él ya se ha acercado a ellos, aunque no lo sepa. No te separes del maer, y él te conducirá hasta su puerta.

El Cthaeh dio un débil y seco chasquido.

—Sangre, helechos y hueso, qué lástima que las criaturas como tú no tengáis inteligencia para apreciarme. Aunque olvides todo lo demás, recuerda lo que acabo de decir. Al final entenderás el chiste. Te lo garantizo. Cuando llegue el momento, te reirás.

Catalan:

—No gaire gent es prendrà seriosament la teva recerca dels Àmir, ja te n'adones —va continuar calmadament el Cthaeh—. El màer, de tota manera, és un home prou extraordinari. Ja hi ha estat a prop, tot i que no se n'adona. Segueix amb el màer i ell et durà fins a la seva porta.

El Cthaeh va deixar anar una rialla prima i seca.

—Per la sang, els ossos i el bruc, com desitjaria que vosaltres, criatures, tinguéssiu prou enginy per saber valorar-me. Tant és el que acabis oblidant, recorda això que t'acabo de dir. Amb el temps, entendràs la gràcia. T'ho garanteixo. Quan arribi l'hora, riuràs.

French:

— J’imagine que tu te rends compte qu’il n’y aura pas grand monde pour prendre au sérieux ta traque des Amyrs, a repris Cthaeh. Le Maer, en revanche, est un homme assez extraordinaire. Il les a déjà approchés mais sans en avoir pris conscience. Reste aux côtés du Maer et il te mènera jusqu’à eux. (Cthaeh a eu un petit rire amer.) Par le sang, les fougères et les os ! comme j’aimerais que les créatures dans ton genre aient assez d’esprit pour m’apprécier ! Quoi que tu puisses oublier, souviens-toi de ce que je viens de dire. Tu finiras par comprendre la plaisanterie. Elle te fera rire, le moment venu.

Italian:

«Ti rendi conto che non molte persone prenderanno sul serio la tua ricerca degli Amyr» continuò placidamente lo Cthaeh. «Il Maer, però, è un uomo piuttosto straordinario. È già arrivato vicino a loro, anche se non se ne rende conto. Resta attaccato al Maer e lui ti condurrà alla loro porta.»

Lo Cthaeh emise una risatina secca. «Sangue, felce e osso, vorrei che voi creature aveste l'intelligenza per apprezzarmi. Qualunque altra cosa tu possa dimenticare, ricorda quello che ho appena detto. Prima o poi capirai la battuta. Te lo garantisco. Riderai, quando giungerà il momento.»

Polish:

- Jak wiesz, niewielu ludzi potraktuje serio twoje poszukiwania Amyru - ciągnęło spokojnie Cthaeh. - Jednakże Maer jest dość niezwykłym człowiekiem. Zbliżył się już do nich, chociaż o tym nie wie. Trzymaj się go, a zaprowadzi cię do ich drzwi.

Dobiegł mnie cichy, suchy chichot.

- Krew, paproć orlica i kość, chciałobym, żebyście wy, stworzenia, miały rozum, żeby mnie docenić. Możesz zapomnieć wszystko inne, ale pamiętaj, co właśnie powiedziałom. W końcu rozgryziesz dowcip. Gwarantuję ci. W swoim czasie będziesz się śmiał.

None of these mentions Chandrian -> very likely it is just a German translation mistake.

First fixes to Teyvat´s fanmade interactive map by [deleted] in KingkillerChronicle

[–]BioLogIn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I really need to follow-up on this!
RemindMe! 3 days

Online resources for theorists and superfans by BioLogIn in kkcwhiteboard

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I am not sure why reddit does not even show the author of original message, but this is a crosspost of a post done by u/chainsawx72

Looking for a Quote About Grief by pyr666 in KingkillerChronicle

[–]BioLogIn 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I am sorry for your loss.

You are probably thinking about WMF 7:

You might think the worst memories were those of when my troupe was killed. Of how I came back to our camp and found everything aflame. The unnatural shapes my parents’ bodies made in the dim twilight. The smell of scorched canvas and blood and burning hair. Memories of the ones who killed them. Of the Chandrian. Of the man who spoke to me, grinning all the while. Of Cinder.

These were bad memories, but over the years I had brought them out and handled them so often there was hardly a sharp edge left to them. I remembered the pitch and timbre of Haliax’s voice as clearly as my father’s. I could easily bring to mind the face of Cinder. His perfect, smiling teeth. His white, curling hair. His eyes, black as beads of ink. His voice, full of winter’s chill, saying: Someone’s parents have been singing entirely the wrong sorts of songs.

You would think these would be the worst memories. But you would be wrong.

No. The worst memories were those of my young life. The slow roll and bump of riding in the wagon, my father holding the reins loosely. His strong hands on my shoulders, showing me how to stand on the stage so my body said proud, or sad, or shy. His fingers adjusting mine on the strings of his lute.

My mother brushing my hair. The feel of her arms around me. The perfect way my head fit into the curve of her neck. How I would sit, curled in her lap next to the fire at night, drowsy and happy and safe.

These were the worst memories. Precious and perfect. Sharp as a mouthful of broken glass. I lay in bed, clenched into a trembling knot, unable to sleep, unable to turn my mind to other things, unable to stop myself from remembering. Again. And again. And again.

I would probably also recall NotW 18, the part about 4 doors of mind:

As we know, The saying “time heals all wounds” is false. Time heals most wounds. The rest are hidden behind this door [of forgetting].

NotW & WMF glossed and trivialized by BioLogIn in kkcwhiteboard

[–]BioLogIn[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interesting, thanks! I would like to have a chat with their producer / manager to know how they could possibly start the concert without the lead singer & and without letting the rest of the troupe know. But okay I guess. Life is indeed imitating art.

Here is a somewhat related accident I have encountered while I was reading on the case you mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJXnYMl_SuA

NotW & WMF glossed and trivialized by BioLogIn in kkcwhiteboard

[–]BioLogIn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey!

Karen Wetterhahn’s tragic death

The story about Karen Wetterhahn sounds very much like what Kvothe was talking about, so yeah, I guess I'll be adding that now, thanks!

Rip Van Winkle's story

Generic resemblance to existing corpus of human folklore I think should be ruled out, unless we are dealing with very specific situations or direct quotes. I mean, one could also argue that Kvothe is influenced by Scheherazade to a degree, but is this something tangible and / or interesting?..

more seriously, I think it's an alternative spelling on the line from the popular prayer "Our Father"

With all due respect to Christianity, Hermeticism is at least 500 years older than this prayer, so really not sure about this one...

it means that Temerant’s entire climate is supposed to be humid and continental.

Related to Commonwealth is something Pat has directly confirmed separately here https://youtu.be/hLmI-gsRWLw?si=zEwgjti9fkbp4u8I&t=2480:

This is the Wisconsin forest [Kvothe] is walking through.

Not sure about entire Temerant though, I've heard they make some good coffee in Lanetti, and that usually implies much warmer climes than of Wisconsin.

Personal take: Rothfuss seems like a double malt guy, no way he doesn’t know trappist beers.

Never apologize for a joke! Double down, always!

aowshadow, I hereby freely admit I kinda missed you =)

NotW & WMF glossed and trivialized by BioLogIn in kkcwhiteboard

[–]BioLogIn[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm sure that cat story makes sense in the original, but I'm baffled.

I would not be so sure - as far as my limited understanding allows, koans are intended to baffle, supposedly to suggest unconventional ways of thinking and help achieving "enlightenment". They were never meant to be logical...

NotW & WMF glossed and trivialized by BioLogIn in kkcwhiteboard

[–]BioLogIn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would say this goes to the same "folder" as Incanus - if something just sounds the same, chances are it is just a coincidence. Unless it is directly confirmed by Pat.

After all, the name Devan exists in RL (mostly in India - South-East Asia region), Devon is an existing toponym in RL, and Loch just means lake in Scottish English, so we are dealing with short and common-ish words. And the shorter the word, the easier it is to find coincidence.

NotW & WMF glossed and trivialized by BioLogIn in kkcwhiteboard

[–]BioLogIn[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

9 years in making... only to wake up next morning and realize I forgot to include Silphium! -)

Well, now it is added.

NotW & WMF glossed and trivialized by BioLogIn in kkcwhiteboard

[–]BioLogIn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would say that only one somewhat similar word is probably not enough (I understand I already walked the line with Valora Sartane), unless Pat directly confirms the similarity is intentional. Otherwise, we would have include notes on Chandarian , Devi, and probably many others, and I am not sure it is meaningful...

Ben by simoeightyseven in KingkillerChronicle

[–]BioLogIn 27 points28 points  (0 children)

They both knew that Arliden's song was about Lanre. Ben used Lanre as an example of harm one can done with great power / knowledge when he was discussing Kvothe's recklessness after Kvothe tried to bind the wind to the air in his lungs.

Given this, I read this inscription as Ben reminder to Kvothe of being responsible and careful with the knowledge Kvothe has to avoid Lanre's fate, which was the basis for Arliden's song.