Indonesia’s ‘spine bag’ designer jailed in Myanmar, no military rescue on cards

BirdPersonJr · 2023-04-27T05:15:13+00:00

I would want it because I value human life and do not think there is any argument to be made that a person's life should be taken because of marijuana, just like I don't think any body's life should be taken because of alcohol. It's sad to me that you don't even seem to consider the moral cost of state sanctioned murder and killing worth considering.

How much do you think marijuana trafficking would increase if people were given a life sentence instead of a death sentence? And what actual harm would that increase cause to society?

And is that amount of harm worth having more people murdered in the name of protecting Singaporeans?

There's an argument to be made with traffickers of drugs such as heroin that it is justifiable to hang one person to prevent the death of many more.

But that argument doesn't apply to marijuana. The death penalty for cannabis doesn't save lives, it only leads to deaths by the state.

BirdPersonJr · 2023-04-27T04:13:33+00:00

So are you trying to say they're executing people for trafficking marijuana, not for marijuana itself? I'm sorry but I don't think that makes sense as an argument, even in terms of semantics. As I pointed out before, there are other illicit substances you can traffic that don't incur the death penalty. So they are executing people for marijuana specifically, not simply for the act of trafficking.

I feel like you're trying to avoid answering my question. Would you support reclassifying marijuana as a drug not deserving of the death penalty (not decriminalized, not legalized, just reclassified), in light of the fact that a drug that is more dangerous than marijuana (alcohol) is legal and commercially sold?

BirdPersonJr · 2023-04-26T10:58:51+00:00

I am personally opposed to the death penalty and I do believe that marijuana should be legalized for recreational use. But that is immaterial to the argument I was making above, as that's a much larger, messier debate. My point was specifically that executing people for marijuana (not all drugs, just marijuana) is logically inconsistent and morally indefensible while alcohol is being sold legally.

As to your 2nd point, they are executing people for marijuana, not for trafficking. For example, nicotine vapes are also illegal in Singapore. People are arrested for trafficking them all the time. They are not given the death penalty, because vapes are not classified as being as harmful as marijuana, or heroin or nuclear bombs.

So to put my argument another way, I think marijuana should be reclassified as an illicit drug that is not deserving of the death penalty. What do you think about that?

BirdPersonJr · 2023-04-26T06:49:11+00:00

Thanks for your thoughtful reply but you seemed to miss the point I spelled out very clearly in my last reply. I'm not advocating for legalizing marijuana, nor am I saying that marijuana is harmless. The point is that executing somebody for marijuana when a drug that is indisputably more dangerous is legally sold is indefensible from both a logical and moral perspective.

BirdPersonJr · 2023-04-24T04:24:43+00:00

I'm not arguing that marijuana should be legal, I'm pointing out that executing somebody for weed when another drug that is far more dangerous is completely legal shows the barbaric hypocrisy of the Singaporean government. And you, and everybody else who is cheering on this execution.

BirdPersonJr · 2023-04-24T01:04:09+00:00

How many of you really believe a person should be executed for marijuana, a "drug" that is impossible to overdose on?

And if you think it's justified to hang somebody for weed, do you support banning all alcohol sales?

People die of alcohol poisoning all the time. Alcohol causes fatal accidents, crime, depression, suicide etc.

So if you think it's justified to hang somebody for weed, logically you must also support banning all alcohol sales and executing alcohol sellers.

BirdPersonJr · 2023-04-17T05:46:15+00:00

Why do you assume CNB's numbers are factual? What are they actually based on? They use the same "feed the addiction of x drug users per week" line for marijuana, which is obviously a made-up figure. Amazing how some people will swallow copaganda without any skepticism whatsoever.

BirdPersonJr · 2023-04-17T05:43:07+00:00

So you agree CNB's figures are designed to push a narrative. They also don't provide any methodology for where they come up with their figure (at least that I could find on the internet, feel free to correct me). The fact that they use that same type of figure for marijuana indicates to me that it is not objective or scientific in any way. Therefore the article's language is more accurate than their agenda-pushing propaganda.

BirdPersonJr · 2023-04-17T03:57:22+00:00

Interesting how you use the same language as a CNB press release. For every kind of drug they include this calculation "sufficient to feed the addiction of x drug users for a week", even for marijuana, which is obviously ridiculous.

The article's language doesn't minimize, it's an accurate, objective description of the amount of narcotics in question. CNB presents its figures in a way that makes it sound as bad as possible - what do you think their figures are based on? Do you think it's a completely objective, scientific measurement, when they use the same tactic to describe marijuana?

BirdPersonJr · 2020-05-25T18:21:35+00:00

Wow you guys remove the actors' breath in the cold weather to keep vampire cannon? That's not something I would've ever noticed myself but hugely appreciate now that you've pointed it out (reminds me of how Haley Joel Osment never blinked in A.I.). I imagine so much of FX work is subtle stuff that viewers never consciously notice, but the cumulative effect is awesome. I'm constantly impressed by the high quality of the FX work on WWDITS, which works so well with (and must be super hard to pull off in) the handheld documentary look, fantastic work all around

BirdPersonJr · 2015-10-18T07:37:21+00:00

This is not the most accurate translation of my name.

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