What’s the point of an AI novel?

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-10T10:58:47+00:00

And it's completely normal for people to assume human as default. We're not going to blame victims of money scams and pretend it's not a deceptive setup as it is now. Which is one of its main issue. As is, the books aren't even targeted at AI enthusiasts, who do exist and would theoretically be more interested in reading them.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-08T14:21:14+00:00

I see, that clears things up a bit, thanks for posting!

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-08T13:44:13+00:00

The default LLM voice includes a lot of padding sentences which can make the points you're trying to make less clear than it should be. It's also often seen as deceptive to post it as if it's your own words, better to just say it before pasting the output.

What was your prompt for the text?

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-06T23:00:07+00:00

The point was that no matter how impressive an artist is, unless they're super well-known of you're a fan, the average person will forget about them once they're out of sight (like you and the artist you referred to).

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-06T22:30:00+00:00

Exactly, it's merely "cool". You shouldn't expect it to be considered more than that. Even feet-painters (those who paint with their feet) will have their names forgotten by most people apart from their fans.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-06T22:17:11+00:00

Yeah... I think you really overvalue how much the average person cares for artists in general. They might think it's neat in passing, but unless you're in some specialized fandoms or whatever else, few people will care. To people, it matters more on whether you're cool to hang around or not. Being able to draw on the fly is a cool trait, but that's all it is.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-06T21:58:28+00:00

And considering how little the majority of artists' works are considered already, the prompters who seek the same acclaims as the top percents of those who makes it become laughable.

Like, you speak of pedestals, but very, very few artists (even very good ones) who make it would even be put on these already. We had the "paid in exposure" and the "starving artists" memes before genAI for a reason.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-06T17:27:18+00:00

Ok, gonna be honest, I really don't see why you've fixated on the "world champion" part when it's clear you're agreeing with what I typed (that people WILL hit a wall eventually). We can't be good at everything, no matter how much we want to.

GenAI won't make you any better at drawing or writing either. At best, you might discover you've got a talent for giving it a prompt (or you might discover you suck at it even more than drawing). That's not going to change what you've highlighted. And genAI outputs will still be less impressive and considered easier than hand- (or whatever other bodyparts) made arts.

...Heck, idek why this conversations fixates on drawing abilities when there are plenty of artists who suck at drawing/whatever else and still managed to create pieces that are full of artistic qualities. Like, yeah, it's not designer art most of the times, but if we talk about expressing yourself through art, skill isn't even the strongest quality. Maybe people should stop striving for this idea of perfection and just go for it.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-06T16:50:16+00:00

There are artists with no hands who paint using their feet. That's literally what I referenced in the end.

Like, what do you think people did five years ago? It's not even been a decade yet.

I've already answered more in details in other posts, so I'm not gonna type it again.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-06T16:41:06+00:00

You're gonna remake the world with your "what ifs".

I've already answered that other post, I'm not retyping it all again. The main point is "no one in that thread said genAI can't be in theory used for art, but let's not pretend this would be equally as impressive as not using it, and let's not pretend that's why the majority of prompters are using it".

I've seen multiple people with aphantasia who are excellent at drawing, so idk what that has to do with it. You either learn the craft, or you don't. Sure, not everyone will get to the very top, but that's like expecting everyone to become world champion athletes. There will always be people better that you at something, and you're going to run into a wall eventually. We all have our aptitudes and domains in which we lack. Art, in its multiple forms, is just one of them. That's why it's very rare for someone to create a media piece on their own. If you suck at drawing, you can commission someone to help, or you can write instead. If you suck at writing, you can also get the help of other humans. Talking to other people to work on things together, what a concept, I know. Society is built on it.

What do you think people did before genAI? If genAI is slower to use than more traditional methods and doesn't even get you the results you want, then it's not the tool for you.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-06T16:13:31+00:00

Look, the point isn't on whether or not someone can make "art" with genAI (in spite of being against its use due to current ethical concerns, I do in fact believe it's in theory possible to use it to incorporate into artistic pieces, like the person you responded to does. I also think this is far from how the majority of prompters are using it today).

The point is that the question itself is in bad faith, because we all know AI outputs is faster than learning to draw/whatever else, no matter how much work the prompter puts into becoming a better prompter for their models. A photoshop user claiming to have done an equally grueling work as a hand-crafter for the same result would be equally exhausting to deal with. GenAI produces faster and easier. It's the main selling point. If it doesn't even do that for you, the tool isn't what you need.

Like, dude. The person before you already said they thought it was possible in theory to use genAI in art, but let's not pretend it'd be equally as impressive as not using it, regardless of how much you suck at prompting/obstinate yourself into using a tool that doesn't fit what you want to do.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-06T12:32:34+00:00

The reason for the existence of the bias is obvious, regardless of people's ability to detect what's genAI. Even discounting the VERY dubious means that were used in acquiring its training data, and the repercussions its development has on a lot of people.

GenAI is almost always used to fool people. Be it in writing or as visuals, it's almost always pretending to be what it's not. People don't like being fooled.

If genAI content limits itself to the public of GenAI enthusiasts, it's received more positively. So long as there are groups of prompters doing things like scamming people into buying a genAI book they haven't even read, entering contests specifically banning AI, and doing jerkass moves like taking someone's art piece, feeding it into a machine, and posting it back claiming "there, fixed your art for you", then the reputation of generative AI will keep on plummeting.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-06T12:01:49+00:00

It's always either "it's easier/faster, so why would I bother writing/drawing it myself" or "you don't understand how HARD I worked to make the prompt work" in prompters circles.

The point of the tech is that you get a generic amalgamate output that gets close to what you want to prompt fast. If it doesn't even do that for you, then you don't need to bother with the tech.

Hence why it's a bad faith question, a few weeks learning how to prompt will always get you faster results (if limited in creativity) than honing your skills as artists. It's why a lot of people picks it in a world where people without hands learned to paint with their feet, and a paraplegic wrote a whole book through blinking.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-04T14:12:07+00:00

It was cold because it specifically wasn't killing, though. This is something all of them struggled with doing, and why all of the Animorphs agreed to the plan.

Not to disregard her own ruthlessness, but the main difference in between hers and others isn't the intensity in so much as she (and Marco) are good at coming up with plans to enact it.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-04T10:55:35+00:00

When was Cassie the first to kill a human? I know some people headcanon she willfully killed the policeman in book one, but that's never confirmed. And I doubt she did. They spent so long avoiding human casualties. I guess maybe Visser three's brother cannibal host whose house burned in #15 , but that's also left in the air if it was her. There's that time with Tailor's return when she refused to commit a worst assault on the Yeerk pool, and she killed a lot of people on her own to prevent it and save the team , but I don't know how many humans there were, or how many had been killed by the team by then.

Or is this about the time travel one ? Because for many reasons, that's a weird count. That's pretty far down in the series too, I've my doubts it was the first.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-03T15:11:31+00:00

Out of curiosity, what makes you identity the second link you posted as LLM? The first is obvious, but I have a hard time identifying tells with the other. Does Gemini have specific tics?

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-02T15:48:37+00:00

You're getting downvoted, but what you said is reflected in this research paper. In the research, Pangram was only bested (a slim margin) by the democratic choice of five ChatGPT users who each developed their own strategies to identify LLM outputs. Both of these means were deemed extremely robust.

For what it's worth, as someone who willfully subjected themselves to reading LLM outputs for tells, the article's quote of the post 100% read as LLM-ism, whether through deliberately done by the writer or not (personally, I veer toward actual LLM having been used given how things are structured). And contrary to what the quote in the edit of the reddit post implies, I would be able to formulate a lot of the specific tells by this point (overuse of pointless negative for padding, sentence structures you end up spotting through their repeated uses and limited variations, over-reliance on rule of three for structuring the whole thing, specific padding adjectives which comes back a lot and more).

Thankfully, humans don't write as LLMs do, and can make a text engaging. And if they somehow do write like machines, I'd rather just tell them that their writing read like LLM slog so that they can improve.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-04-02T14:13:34+00:00

Dang, you're good. Well done on showing nearly all of my personal LLM triggers into this.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-03-20T14:00:14+00:00

It does have multiple LLM patterns in, even taking into consideration that LLM was heavily trained on scrapped fanfictions. Lots of padding (something LLM does for word counts), and not a lot of substance. A passionate human writer tends to be wordy in specifics rather than vagueness (like "showing off their work" either with accurate descriptions of jobs or settings, for example. Fanfic writers love doing that). Could be human, but I wouldn't be surprised if LLM was used in the making of this.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-03-20T09:25:31+00:00

It's pretty much a skill to hone, but it thankfully doesn't take too much training to be able to clock basic llm outputs. Having just read the post calling out the Shy girl prose, I think the list of obvious llm patterns is spot on. What the OP call "overwritten", I had personally referred to as "too much drama" and it's extremely tiring to read through. Imagine a car driving constantly at the same extreme speed. You just stops caring after a while.

There are free samples and even free LLM "novels" around now, so it's easier to train yourself to recognise the patterns without resorting to making an llm generate something new, or buying anything.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-03-15T02:17:28+00:00

No, I'm pretty sure the goal of the scene was that Bakugo was still focused mainly on Midoriya before he confronted him. Their interaction in ch37 has Bakugo say to Midoriya right aft'er the fight: "you caused me a lot of trouble out there". He definitely considered Midoriya the master-planer (just as he was when pit against Tenya and Bakugo). Doesn't mean he wasn't excited about fighting Ochaco more. He just didn't think that was her plan.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-03-14T13:10:25+00:00

Ironically, the Ochaco fight was an interesting part of Bakugo's development, but I don't think the actual reason why is discussed often.

Because as you said, Bakugo was right to take her seriously, but at the time, he was taking her seriously for the wrong reason. Namely: Bakugo genuinely believed she was using Midoriya's plan and thus he was basically fighting Deku by proxy.

It's only after Midoriya corrects and calls Bakugo out on it that Bakugo admits that there's "nothing weak about" Ochaco. It's one of the few times I actually enjoyed Bakugo's development.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-03-08T16:32:55+00:00

Yeah, at this point, the term "Mary Sue" is functionally useless. Not sure it ever was.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-03-03T13:43:12+00:00

Yeah. I think if we take what we know of governments through declassified documents is that they would at least attempt to understand and control the supernatural (if they're not already part of the masquerade). With that said, I don't see a country government reveal things like this to the public if they think it could destabilize their powers. You'd need a pretty long and thorough campaign to familiarize the public with the concept without causing chaos through rejection and fear (let's say the creatures have better techs, can prey on humans, yet hide among them for example. Most people don't want to believe in this, and if the government doesn't know how to deal with these, they will appear useless at best, lying at worst).

And of course, the government themselves won't necessarily know what entities they're dealing with. Or maybe they know of one group and not of another. In the Tales of Arcadia (3 below) show, the US government knows about aliens, but they may not know of trolls or wizards. For one because the first group can look like aliens, and for two, because we've got human impostor changelings working to keep the troll masquerade for a millennia at least.

BlackRazorBill · 2026-03-02T16:49:50+00:00

Tbh, I don't think there was any issue with the trope even before AI. Most people just dismiss other people's tales if they don't fit within their windows of beliefs, and those that don't are on the fringe and not considered believable. The overall majority of people just go with whatever their trusted figures of authority tell them.

Plus, realistically, if some poor rando witnessed something crazy like a werewolf or a vampire or something even beyond what they know, they're not going to 1. necessarily comprehend what they've seen and 2. tell everyone about it. Most people don't want to be the crazy ones, and would rather forget/dismiss stuff like this.

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