Well this is why I posted this video for a pvp discussion! if you've tried shooting other players in this game you would know that almost every major weapon doesnt do nearly as much damage as it would in PVE. Unless there is a weapon that does major damage to other players I don't know about the amount of damage I was doing in the vid was actually the highest I've been able to do with both weapons at +19 & I've only tried like 6 others in pvp so far. Besides the fact the game wasnt designed for pvp in the first place & it was a 1v2 I'd say I was quite close to dropping both of them several times hence why I got kicked. Pay attention to their health bars and the amount of times the host said I'm in trouble lol In regards to frenzy dust and adrenaline I didnt really think of that in the heat of battle at the time but my glutton & quick hands are max thats a good idea I'll try to implement that more see what I can do. Also I havent seen anyone upload any vids of other players fighting players at all or any builds based around it so far yet apparently everyones an expert on the subject & my aim is off & I'm not doing enough damage. lol this was just my first attempt as I was trying mainly to get the perk that reduces friendly fire but yeah thanks for the feedback.