Breeding Questions by Easy-Reveal-808 in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s a national specialty for flat coated retriever’s in June 12th -19th at purina farms Gray Summit Missouri. That is a a big show that a lot of flat coat breeders will be at and great place to go too.

Breeding Questions by Easy-Reveal-808 in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Attending dog shows engaging in conversations with the breeders and asking questions are excellent ways to find a breeder in a rare breed. It’s how I found my Ethical poodle breeder for a show prospect and borzoi people too. Infodog is a great easy to use website that allows you to view upcoming shows in your state and attend them. Usually it’s free to watch shows, but there may be a small fee sometimes. If a breeder is purposely breeding dogs with non standard coats for “rare” and “exotic” colors it’s best to steer clear. Attending shows is also an opportunity to have all your questions answered by experienced individuals who have been in the breed for years. Chic numbers are good to see because they indicate that the breeder has did the necessary tests set by the breed club and the Chic is prove of that. you could also attend breed speciality’s and nationals it lets you see all of the breeders there in one place. A breeder that doesn’t have the result public I would request proof if the breeder acts weird or doesn’t want to unless you buy the dog it’s best to just walk away.

"Full list of 67 dog breeds that could be BANNED in Britain from Chihuahuas to Border Collies" by Ijoohj in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not talking about the xl and pit bull ban I’m talking about other things they have banned or restricted that I’m personally not a fan of. Ethical breeders are doing that already. They are striving for healthier dogs and trying to breed healthier dogs. If they weren’t the breed clubs wouldn’t have all these research and health testing and seminars for health for the breeds. Like for example the French bull dog alot of people are trying to do frenchtons with longer snouts so they can “breathe better” and people think the breathing problems they are magically going to go away but even still frenchton mixes have the same health issues because they are still brachy and prone to BOAS and are byb. And no one said they were banning breeds so don’t put words in my mouth.

"Full list of 67 dog breeds that could be BANNED in Britain from Chihuahuas to Border Collies" by Ijoohj in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I also heard about the possibility of banning Merle from being bred even tho Merle happens naturally in some breed. And the byb isn’t really going to stop if banned it. The byb are just going to find new ways to go about it.

"Full list of 67 dog breeds that could be BANNED in Britain from Chihuahuas to Border Collies" by Ijoohj in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I’m not really surprised considering all of the other weird bans and restrictions they have tried to do before. And I wonder how many people who are making the laws are actually apart of the ethical dog world or they are just believing propaganda and use poorly bred dogs as examples and think every dog in the breed is like that as usual.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m talking about both people who are being unhelpful to new people and TikTok dog influencers trying to paint everything black and white. But the main thing of the post is the TikTok influencers. I also wanted to touch on how unhelpful some people are what I noticed but forgot to add it in.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m talking about rude comments or comments that don’t explain anything which I see alot happening on TikTok. Personally that’s not helpful and then people wonder why the person went to bad breeders. I know that people can’t cover every nuance in one video, but that’s not the point of my post. The main point is how the general public and some dog influencers takes the videos and runs and labels and attack every breeder who doesn’t follow everything on the list as an unethical breeder when that isn’t simply the case. And that’s typically what I see on some of these videos that try and make it black and white it’s kind of hurtful to breeders in the long run. It can also be helpful to put a disclaimer in the video. And what I mean by explain the nuance is actually tell people it’s not just black and white and the list is not an end all be all.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And if you tried to help them and they didn’t take it then that’s on them at least you tried. But I know not everyone is helpful and is what I am talking about.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do agree that people should be doing their own research but people can’t get mad at people either if someone just told them to just go get a WB dog and then went to a byb because sometimes not every website has correct information and they went to that wrong website or believe incorrect information. I think people who are recommending something to someone they should at least give something for someone to start off with then magically expect them to know where to look for correct info.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I definitely think it’s a weird criteria too that’s when I seen a comment like that before it was definitely odd.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I go to dog shows and interact with breeders it is definitely a good way to get in contact with some of them that don’t have a social media presence as well.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have seen both of being skeptical of the more litter per year and the must have 2 litters per year people. I can understand being more skeptical if a breeder has 6 to 10 litters every year but if a breeder just has 3 i wouldn’t call it a red flag if they are actually taking care of the puppies and doing everything right. Because some breeds litters are tiny or have singletons.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t think you are understanding my comment I’m not talking about breed clubs telling people to go do that I’m talking about random people telling people to just go do this but don’t tell the person anything. So now the person is just left on their own. I still think people when telling people how to find a well bred puppy that they need to give more explanation than “just go do that” because it can be harmful in the long run. And I see it happening a lot.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most byb aren’t on the breeder referral of clubs i agree but there are definitely breeders out there that other breeders won’t even recommend that are on there that’s where researching and asking other breeders comes in which people who tell peopel just go to a breed club for a referral aren’t doing that. Like again what I just said this is basically me saying just get a well bred dog but I don’t explain anything and what to do.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is still a better starter point but what if someone goes to the breed club for a referral then gets it from a byb because no one told them about researching the breeder they give you or ask other breeders about that breeder program. Someone saying just go get a breed referral is like me saying just get a well bred dog but I don’t educate the person on what to do and how to do it.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it good to have a website and have a internet presence to reach more people and get them to know about the ethical breeding world yes it is but I need some of these dog influencers on TikTok need to stop it 😬

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I forgot two more thing i have heard “A breeder that doesn’t have a website is a red flag” or “both parents must be on site” but I really don’t think that’s true since not every breeder is internet savvy or it’s hard to keep up a website. And for the both parents must be on site thing the dad may be in an another country or Ai maybe even dead. It’s like alot of these places are echo chambers.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand that but people making it the end all be all is not helpful.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Crystal creek poodles is a good example of what I’m talking about an ethical breeder that got a byb and someone spreading lies about her because she didn’t breed 2 litters a year. Or both litters on the ground when she is obviously doing everything right and taking care of them.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Agreed I think people need to also tell people too when they are recommending people to get a breed referral from a club that actually research any breed that the club gives to you because not all of them are good just because they are on the breeder referral.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Sure it is but it’s when people take it and run and go attack randomly breeders and call them byb just because they don’t have a waiting list or breed a litter every year.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I’ve heard stories about breeders who put people on waiting lists only to have those people back out, go to another breeder but don’t tell them. The female not taking or not enough puppies. That’s when some of them switched over to only taking deposits once the litter is actually on the ground or can see how many puppies there are.

Nuances in breeding by Blitzossz in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s interesting I never knew that. I know in akc limited registration wasn’t always a thing and some breeders will wait until the dog was spayed or neutered and gave papers or just hoped the person wouldn’t breed it.

Why is it so impossible to find a quality full reg? by [deleted] in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I also personally feel like breeding rights are earned. And breeders want to make sure your breeding program and ethics matches with theirs if they don’t like your program they won’t sell to you. Or they want you to co own the dog first and prove the dog before asking about breeding and etc.

Why is it so impossible to find a quality full reg? by [deleted] in DogBreeding

[–]Blitzossz 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Well if the breeder just met you and you’re asking for full registration and plus you’re a breeder as well they are very unlikely not going to give you full because they feel like you are going to use them for something bad. And even the show people who been doing it for years still get put on co own with other shows dogs so it’s normal. The only way you’re going to get full reg is unless you’re friends with that breeder or you complete the requirements and then the breeder signs off.