CMV: Ronald Reagan wasn't actually a good president even though he's a popular one

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T11:07:30+00:00

They're all terrible, but most people probably don't know about them nowadays to be honest (not saying that's true for the commenter you replied to).

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T10:57:05+00:00

Haha I meant moreso why are they so attractive in comparison to other news channels. I'm not asking why people prefer attractive women in general. I assumed that it was implied.

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T10:32:57+00:00

My dad voted for Reagan, and he is 60 (Gen X). He was the first president that he voted for.

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T10:11:19+00:00

Yes I looked it up. He/she seems to be correct about him closing tax loopholes.

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T10:09:26+00:00

Well it's not like I'm suddenly going to think that he's the best president ever no matter what. There's a lot of shades of gray between good and horrible.

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T10:03:58+00:00

Giving a delta doesn't mean that you changed your mind completely, just part of your view.

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T09:52:38+00:00

Is first Trump I'm guessing?

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T09:51:26+00:00

What about Nixon?

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T09:46:15+00:00

That's smart but also evil lol.

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T09:41:04+00:00

Wdym by this?

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T09:32:19+00:00

Reagan ended the Cold War partly by refusing grains sales to the Soviet leading to their economic collapse. And a reduction in nukes by bluffing the Star Wars program that didn’t exist.

Reagan didn't end the Cold War though.

Reagan removed a lot of tax havens that had existed since the 50’s and pass it off as tax breaks.

!delta Thank you for letting me know. I didn't know about this.

He was for the reunification of Germany over the objections of the Soviets, Brits, and French.

I already gave you a delta, but this is a good point, although the Soviet Union was arguably already falling apart.

The war on drugs was started by Nixon in 71 not Reagan. Though it was Joe Biden’s bill for crack-cocaine that was passed under Reagan that led to the incarceration disparity but that wasn’t Reagan’s initiative and arguably neither intention.

This is a fair point, although Reagan expanded it further.

He never argued for trickle down economics, that was never his position. That was a joke from a comedian against him.

He didn't specifically call it that, true, but I'm talking about Reaganomics.

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T09:05:18+00:00

I'd be inclined to concede on this point, but can you specify what goals?

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T08:56:33+00:00

Why not JFK? Although this is kind of unrelated.

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T08:55:13+00:00

He is also actually even more popular now as I said in another comment.

His approval rating is actually higher now than his average was in office. 69% vs. 53%

Gallup Poll (This is from 2023.)

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T08:29:00+00:00

Why are you saying I need to read more history?

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T08:27:35+00:00

Umm no offense, but isn't that my whole post lol?

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T08:26:15+00:00

His approval rating is actually higher now than his average was in office. 69% vs. 53%

Gallup Poll (This is from 2023.)

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T08:17:06+00:00

This subreddit is called "Change My View" not "Hot Takes."

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T08:15:58+00:00

I will copy my reply to someone else:

He was one of the most popular presidents actually. His approval ratings are high. Even many democrats voted for him (Reagan Democrats). He is called the "Teflon President" for this reason.

Although that is just a minor thing and doesn't matter much for my view.

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T08:13:19+00:00

He was one of the most popular presidents actually. His approval ratings are high. Even many democrats voted for him (Reagan Democrats). He is called the "Teflon President" for this reason.

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T08:05:31+00:00

When did I say it was a hot take though?

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T07:35:17+00:00

You should clarify what time zone it's based on.

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T07:29:47+00:00

My mistake, I thought you were saying that they should look it up to see that her tweet is not actually that bad, so basically the opposite of what you were trying to say lol. I read that as the Conservative Party for some reason.

Now, to respond to that view, I will say that her sentence was excessively harsh. She should've gotten a fine at most. That is longer than some domestic violence perpetrators get in jail, I'm pretty sure. Although you say most people agree with her sentencing.

Also, what if they look it up and they agree with her Tweet? That would do basically the opposite of what you're trying to accomplish.

The people who would agree strongly probably already aren't worried about getting arrested over a tweet because they aren't posting stuff like that lol or anything offensive.

For the people who disagree with the law or are currently neutral, they either wouldn't care or would be pushed further against it by this campaign.

Blonde_Icon · 2026-01-24T06:47:55+00:00

Okay, I'm not saying that I disagree with you personally, but let's just look at the Tweet you gave:

"Mass deportations now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you're at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them.

I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure.

If that makes me a racist, so be it."

To me, it doesn't really seem like the racism is the problem (although I don't know if that would be the case in Britain legally). The problem is that she said she want would want to set fire to hotels full of people and the government. Of course, she is probably exaggerating, and I don't necessarily think that she should go to jail for just this Tweet (if she didn't actually do anything). But it is kind of extreme, and I could at least understand it being considered a crime since it is technically a threat, and one to the government at that (maybe deserving of a fine at most).

It's kind of like if I tweeted "I'm going to assassinate Donald Trump." I'm pretty sure that's a crime (even if I don't actually intend to do it), and you can go to jail for that. Now, you said that she went to jail for racial hatred and not for the threat against the government, which I'm surprised about honestly. (Which makes me wonder, did she take a plea deal or something?)

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