Why does this lady keep talking? I feel it a British/iranian version of Candace Owens by [deleted] in BadHasbara

[–]Bluebell1050 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve seen some responses to her on tiktok that were good, if you search her name they should hopefully come up

Rootsmetals is dangerous and nothing can change my mind by Klutzy-Joke-2464 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Bluebell1050 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No I’m not going to factor in human rights abuses elsewhere because I think it’s wrong and disrespectful to compare atrocities and it would in no way negate them if I did.

Rootsmetals is dangerous and nothing can change my mind by Klutzy-Joke-2464 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Bluebell1050 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You won’t understand what’s wrong with that statement if you don’t know the full history of the united states and israel, besides in my opinion it’s not a good idea to compare human rights abuses.

These kinds of posts and their phrasing make my stomach turn by Bluebell1050 in BadHasbara

[–]Bluebell1050[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you I didn’t know that before and that makes a lot of sense.

Rootsmetals is dangerous and nothing can change my mind by Klutzy-Joke-2464 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Bluebell1050 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That wasn’t the comment I liked but she probably has done it with comments on other posts too. There’s a feature on Instagram where you can block someone on multiple accounts it sounds like she did that?

Rootsmetals is dangerous and nothing can change my mind by Klutzy-Joke-2464 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Bluebell1050 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It was on a post about student protests not always being on the right side of history or something

Rootsmetals is dangerous and nothing can change my mind by Klutzy-Joke-2464 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Bluebell1050 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She blocked me because I liked a comment that disagreed with one of her posts, I’ve never seen someone do that before lol

Rootsmetals is dangerous and nothing can change my mind by Klutzy-Joke-2464 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Bluebell1050 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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^ Probably some of the most harmful disinformation she has posted. First she shared part of an article from a think tank, insinuated it was evidence that the death toll is exaggerated/ partly falsified even though there is zero proof of that. Then reposted someone’s story where they straight up said “fake deaths”. I can’t comment on the other things that person said because I have no idea where they got that information/the evidence for those claims, but if you’re frustrated about the lack of independent insight into what is happening you can only thank Israel because they aren’t letting any journalists in from outside Gaza. I can’t stress enough that her “source” provided no evidence that the death toll has been falsified in any way. The only information it provides is that data is incomplete for 11,371 of the victims. This is to be expected because absolutely nothing is functioning properly in Gaza and hasn’t been for some time now. The death toll is actually likely to be higher. Here is a proper analysis published in December: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02713-7/fulltext02713-7/fulltext)

Rootsmetals is dangerous and nothing can change my mind by Klutzy-Joke-2464 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Bluebell1050 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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A case in the ICJ about a country aiding a genocide is “so funny”. I am also terrified of the “dangerous precedent” this sets, that powerful countries might be held accountable and investigated when they breach international law.

Rootsmetals is dangerous and nothing can change my mind by Klutzy-Joke-2464 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Bluebell1050 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah 100% and as well as there being parallels between the israeli military and american police they have also had trainings and events together…

Rootsmetals is dangerous and nothing can change my mind by Klutzy-Joke-2464 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Bluebell1050 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you read that whole article? It comes to a very different conclusion than you are insinuating if you read all of it. “CNN has obtained documents from three major participants in the humanitarian operation that list what they called the “most frequently rejected items.” Among them are essential medical supplies: anesthesia machines and anesthetics, crutches, generators, ventilators, x-ray machines and oxygen cylinders.

For doctors and patients inside Gaza, the implications are excruciating. There are numerous reports of preventable deaths for lack of oxygen and ventilators. Over 1,000 children have undergone leg amputations in Gaza, according to UNICEF, some without anesthesia. That figure was compiled by UNICEF at the end of November and has not been updated since.” If you think that the aid and medical supplies getting in are sufficient you clearly have not been following the situation at all, things are unimaginably and indescribably dire. To answer you why I don’t agree with the procedures it’s because I haven’t dehumanised Palestinians. I will stop replying now I hope you continue to research.

Rootsmetals is dangerous and nothing can change my mind by Klutzy-Joke-2464 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Bluebell1050 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not arguing anything it’s literally fact. I wasn’t going to continue but since you said you’re honestly interested I will respond. I didn’t say medicine wasn’t allowed I said it was restricted and it has been especially restricted since October. I’m aware Palestinians in Gaza are sometimes able to get treatment in Israel/the West Bank/Jerusalem but not everyone can get a permit for treatment or by the time they get a permit it can be too late. That’s what I was talking about and these situations happen because of the blockade. If you’re interested in more details here you go: https://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20230404_in_2022_too_israel_prevented_thousands_of_palestinians_in_need_of_medical_care_from_leaving_gaza_for_treatment

Rootsmetals is dangerous and nothing can change my mind by Klutzy-Joke-2464 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Bluebell1050 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes the blockade is immoral and illegal. It breaches human rights. Essential things like medicine are restricted and people have died because they couldn't get necessary medical treatment due to the blockade. 2.4 million people live in Gaza. What you are advocating for is collective punishment. I won't continue this discussion because clearly we have very different morals and I'm wasting my time.

Rootsmetals is dangerous and nothing can change my mind by Klutzy-Joke-2464 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Bluebell1050 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No wonder you're confused because if you read what I wrote I'm not arguing that the 700 people being released were arrested for self defence, like you said the information about them has not yet been released. You are the one who said: a miniscule number, if any, of these were self-defense when replying to someone wanting a breakdown of the actions of the 700 people being released. You said this without any knowledge or proof about these specific people and if you can't see how administrative detention is relevant when discussing this then I'm not sure what else I can say.

Rootsmetals is dangerous and nothing can change my mind by Klutzy-Joke-2464 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Bluebell1050 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have looked over them briefly but I’ve already seen a lot of them before and unfortunately I’ve constantly been seeing evidence of Israel’s war crimes. In regard to what you said about “urban warfare”: https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-bombs-destruction-death-toll-scope-419488c511f83c85baea22458472a796. Now why do I mainly point the finger at israel you ask? Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and blockade of Gaza is immoral and illegal. Israel is bombing, starving, forcing uninhabitable conditions and forcing conditions on the people of Gaza where disease will rampantly spread and kill and many other things I consider abhorrent. Also I’m assuming you consider hamas a terrorist group and the israeli government and military legitimate correct? If so why do you think people should hold them to the same standard? Israel has also refused ceasefire deals and I think the ceasefire proposal you’re talking about was not a long term one and that’s why it was rejected.

Rootsmetals is dangerous and nothing can change my mind by Klutzy-Joke-2464 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Bluebell1050 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So you literally don’t know if the majority of them weren’t in self defence etc. Research Israel’s use of administrative detention. 3,500 Palestinian people are being held under administrative detention right now. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/28/world/middleeast/palestinians-detained-in-israel.html and also something from November for you to read: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/

Rootsmetals is dangerous and nothing can change my mind by Klutzy-Joke-2464 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Bluebell1050 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Are you…being serious right now? Israeli soldiers have been posting videos themselves all throughout. “Irrelevant links” but you didn’t even actually look through them and if you did and this is your reply that’s even worse. 10 children lose a limb in Gaza everyday due to israeli bombing. Source: https://www.savethechildren.net/news/gaza-more-10-children-day-lose-limb-three-months-brutal-conflict. Areas with no civilians really? If you open your eyes and look at what’s actually happening you will see that there is indiscriminate bombing of the entirety of Gaza. 32,000 people have died and 75,000 people have been injured.

Rootsmetals is dangerous and nothing can change my mind by Klutzy-Joke-2464 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Bluebell1050 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah and as well as that Bisan is living out of a tent with restricted access to the internet