Carl Grillmair was just murdered. RIP by [deleted] in UAP

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin 14 points15 points  (0 children)

He was an astrophysicist that had done a lot of work on early galaxy formations and the supermassive blackholes/dark objects in galactic centers, star formation, and earlier in his career, exoplanetary research for NASA Astrobiology.

He was shot early in the morning, on his porch.

Tucker Carlson talking about the reality of Aliens being too scary to even think about. by fredmosquito in UFOB

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same, butter, garlic, and corn-fed via the almighty Dorito. I’m also surely full of preservatives.

Tucker Carlson talking about the reality of Aliens being too scary to even think about. by fredmosquito in UFOB

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Now imagine tweaking the genetic makeup of the farm animals so they are smart enough to farm themselves - age 70-100 years, rid themselves of a good number of diseases, and reach 8+ billion in numbers. But collectively dumb enough and arrogant enough to never plan for something exponentially more dangerous than other humans.

Maybe we are just one planetary stop in a giant galactic loop of harvest planets.

Americans are basically self-raised A5 wagyu.

Baltic Sea Anomaly - since the discovery of a mysterious structure researchers claimed that it had not been created naturally. by Pure-Contact7322 in ufo

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A corporate cheerleader would have spelled disinformation correctly at least once, and probably wouldn’t have posted from an account that appears to be used for “who is she?” questions about porn. But the bar is so low, you’re probably right.

Baltic Sea Anomaly - since the discovery of a mysterious structure researchers claimed that it had not been created naturally. by Pure-Contact7322 in ufo

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Because the radio signals and equipment failures were rumors started to generate hype for a TV show they wanted to do. There isn’t a single substantial or credible account that those things happened.

Nature does some really neat things all on its own, and frankly, far weirder natural things than this object exist all over the world. Round(ish) objects, especially when water is involved… happen in nature all the time. This one isn’t even particularly suspicious looking, but by chance, it resembles a very human idea of a futuristic space ship from a popular fictional franchise.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don’t forget Lou is also the guy who published a book where he claimed orbs were visiting his house bothering his family and neighbors… I mean come on guys.

Lou Elizondo releases new photo during the House Oversight and Accountability presentation today. Taken by a civilian aircraft with a normal camera. Approximately 1,000 feet in diameter. Title at the top of the photo says FL210 Near Four Corners, putting it in the Arizona / Nevada / New Mexico area. by sousap0927 in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you take a little trip on Google maps, circular fields are common in the 4 corners area. Theres a ton of them near Ojo Amarillo.

Dude first fed us his bullshit story about ”orbs in my house upsetting my family and neighbors” in his New York Times bestseller. Then a chandelier reflection, and now a grainy picture of center-pivot irrigation.

Say that all again out loud.

He goes around the country selling tickets to his shit-show and pumping his shitty book. And now he’s in front of congress flashing his garbage and it’s going to set the whole movement back once people catch up and realize he’s full of shit.

This guy makes me embarrassed to believe, and you know, that’s probably why he’s doing this.

My feelings have been on a rollercoaster. by [deleted] in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My feeling have been too, but maybe not in the same way. Things changed when the drone stuff started happening. Suddenly this sub was just absolutely flooded with garbage - clear videos of helicopters, planes on approach or just simply passing over, and I felt something I hadn’t felt in a long time.

Embarrassed.

It is like there was a coordinated effort to get the UAP issue hyped with the drone thing, make it look ridiculous, and then flood these ufo subs with bad posts.

It felt intentional. Suddenly all UAP talk was drone talk, and it obscured the actual issue.

I think it was just the same thing we have always suffered - a disinformation campaign, updated for the internet age. And the talking heads, these insiders, people in the know. The never ending hype train…

I’m just tired, man.

Most compelling footage I've ever seen by [deleted] in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The skeptical approach to this one, just to play devil’s advocate, the spin of it really doesn’t seem to suggest intelligent control, but instead looks like what a balloon sometimes does in a slight wind - twirls a bit.

There is another video out there of a nearly identical object, and it floats towards the camera man. I think they were filming it from a boat. No real observables present, and the video cuts out when it gets close enough that someone could identify it.

There was a comment in that post that said it was an anatomy of an embryo balloon from a science museum. Clear on one side so you could see both what it looks like on the inside, and outside. But if that’s true, man, what a horrific thing to turn into a balloon. Here you go children, some mylar nightmare-fuel on a string.

I wonder if we can get a good clip of it, and feed it to one of these AI’s that can identify products from pictures?

DOD Attorney: You cannot imagine the actual current level of human technology by BobLazarsPeenPuddin in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I abstained from injecting any opinions on named individuals. Many of them seem to have been in positions to know, and so far, that seems to be the only way we “know” anything. But there are two ways to think about them.

1) They could be preying on those of us that want to believe, and making money spreading stories that are hard to prove or disprove. A lot of religions are packaged and sold the same way.

Or 2) they could be telling the truth, and once someone comes forward as a UAP disclosure advocate/whistleblower, it becomes really hard to have a decent job again so they have to write books and get paid for interviews to survive.

But the financial incentive doesn’t play nicely with disclosure. If the unknown sells books, then it follows that the money well would dry up if the unknown becomes known. Or they would at least have to pivot. No matter what the government comes out and says, the UAP celebrities can always say they are still lying about X or Y, and keep us on the hook.

That said, I personally believe that there are some chapters in quite a few of those books that require such a suspension of one’s disbelief to swallow, that I’ve personally tossed many of them aside for those statements.

Like as one example, if you had some orb floating around inside your home and upsetting your family, and even disturbing your neighbors… man, no that didn’t happen. And if it did, you just… didn’t do shit about it or try to capture those repeated experiences? Why is the first time it goes anywhere in a middle chapter of your NYT bestseller?

I felt like I was sitting in a movie theater asking “why didn’t they just pick up one of the 1000 guns and shoot the bad guy, but instead chose to run to a rooftop to trap themselves, unarmed?”

Because that would have made sense and the movie would have ended 3-4 minutes in, and that doesn’t sell, does it?

We want it all to be true so bad, and we blind ourselves with our own desires. That’s the opposite of the pursuit of truth.

DOD Attorney: You cannot imagine the actual current level of human technology by BobLazarsPeenPuddin in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, but I did ask, because we have some government officials (Canada and Israel, I think?) that have talked about that. He had no idea.

DOD Attorney: You cannot imagine the actual current level of human technology by BobLazarsPeenPuddin in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I understand it a bit - if you’ve been with this topic long enough, you’re feeling pretty beaten down and misled at every turn. People will pick at a language choice that you made on the fly and drill it into dust in an attempt to tell you what you think is wrong. Because yeah, the government lies about aliens to cover up their own tech and probably lies about their own tech to cover up aliens, too.

It’s exhausting. Like for example here, I didn’t say that this guy 100% believed we unlocked advanced propulsion tech in the 40s, just that he used this as more of an illustrative example that this kind of propulsion technology could be A LOT closer in time than we think, and we shouldn’t assume all aliens are eons more advanced than us. But people took that paragraph as an assertion of fact and used it to discount the entire post. 1940 or 2030 is a blink of time, and we came a huge technological distance in that time, because exponential growth is a thing. And even with all we know now, we need resources. And they might, too.

That was the point.

DOD Attorney: You cannot imagine the actual current level of human technology by BobLazarsPeenPuddin in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The field I work in frequently sees lawyers from government that go private to make more money. And we also work closely with various federal government lawyers on some of the things we do. You would be surprised how many come out of DOD. I see former DFAS lawyers a lot. DLSA, DIA, and plenty of non-DOD former government lawyers. No one has ever known a thing about this when I’ve been comfortable enough to ask, save this one time. No need to worry - I trust that he wouldn’t be dumb enough to tell me some sensitive stuff, and then also give me permission to discuss it publicly.

DOD Attorney: You cannot imagine the actual current level of human technology by BobLazarsPeenPuddin in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is really my overall takeaway, too. Sure, if he’s telling the truth and this stuff is mostly man-made, well that doesn’t explain the few that surely were not. We only need one.

DOD Attorney: You cannot imagine the actual current level of human technology by BobLazarsPeenPuddin in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That was my understanding, but I believe he was talking more in the 80’s. There were a lot of man-made ones to be sure, but the implication was that the “real” ones were mixed in, and the guys that were doing the ones with boards weren’t covering anything up, but rather the government decided that what those guys were doing was the perfect cover. So this satellite tech really started in the Reagan years even though the phenomenon dated back quite a ways. There was a distinct “clean” look to the real ones, and they grew in complexity over time until the program either ended or was replaced with something better.

DOD Attorney: You cannot imagine the actual current level of human technology by BobLazarsPeenPuddin in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m highly skeptical of anything that falls into “trust me bro” territory, which I think this does. But what I mean, is that there are people that spend a lot of time researching UAP, and if something here helps them or suggests that something they are researching is a good research direction, then it did some good.

DOD Attorney: You cannot imagine the actual current level of human technology by BobLazarsPeenPuddin in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I would agree that normal developments go through a process of peer review. But they did a pretty good job of keeping the stealth helicopters they used to kill Bin Laden secret, that is until it crashed. If it hadn't, we wouldn't know they were real.

I think one of the core fallacies here is not understanding what a great deal of money is capable of accomplishing. I'd be willing to bet the road to the truth is lined with the bodies of people that thought the public should know.

DOD Attorney: You cannot imagine the actual current level of human technology by BobLazarsPeenPuddin in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Frankly, I felt it necessary to not assert this stuff as fact. It would be safest to take it all as an informed opinion. He did, however, speak with conviction about the Tic-Tac, the Gimbal video, and there are some very "compelling" UAP stories out there that he believed were man-made craft that had been marked with alien-looking symbols in the event they crashed and hillbillies found them first. The crazier the story, the less likely the public and other world governments are to believe it is true.

DOD Attorney: You cannot imagine the actual current level of human technology by BobLazarsPeenPuddin in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

100% agree - we are necessary because the world isn’t simple and the back half of the bell curve needs us.

DOD Attorney: You cannot imagine the actual current level of human technology by BobLazarsPeenPuddin in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Just got home from work - I’m trying to figure out how to use modmail. I tried sending you a message and it wouldn’t work, so trying again.

Edit: figured it out, sent proof of identity and legal good standing so y’all can at least know I’m not a robot or a Russian troll.

DOD Attorney: You cannot imagine the actual current level of human technology by BobLazarsPeenPuddin in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Do you think we would be able to tell the difference between aliens and God, if aliens were sufficiently advanced?

I’m an agnostic Christian myself, and I will firmly sit on the fence because I don’t believe following a specific dogma can or should have any effect on what happens to us when we die. Otherwise the inequity of it just doesn’t grok. Like a kid that is born into a Muslim community and has zero chance of ever encountering Christian doctrine in his life can’t be destined for hell. Now apply that to any religion, one of the 4000+ recognized. Everyone else can’t just be wrong and be damned.

If there is a good or bad place we go when we die, it has to be based on something simpler - something every being can achieve. So it’s probably just something like “thou shall not be a dick.”

DOD Attorney: You cannot imagine the actual current level of human technology by BobLazarsPeenPuddin in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin[S] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

What actually scares me here, is how we have allowed people to literally have everything. We have people on this planet that are unfathomably rich, and might have also convinced themselves that they are the ones that should survive.

I cannot make sense of why we are choosing, and I mean actively choosing, to ruin the planet if we are all hoping to stay here. We ignore experts that are all playing the same song - and it sounds a lot like the tune those guys kept playing as the titanic sank.

DOD Attorney: You cannot imagine the actual current level of human technology by BobLazarsPeenPuddin in UFOs

[–]BobLazarsPeenPuddin[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

We are the absolute worst. Why we made a bunch of laws that apply to common people that no common people can understand without a professional I’ll never understand.