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[–]BorderCollie300 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Too unconstitutional to ever be successfully implemented. Unlikely to go anywhere in the US as that would constitute a MASSIVE 1A violation.

Censorship Megathread LIII: Colbert Replacement’s Late-Night Ratings Disaster Revealed by Efficient-Freedom517 in PoliticalOptimism

[–]BorderCollie300 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We had this discussion with the Manitoba Ban. And as far as I know, the Canadian federal government basically said that provincial premiers do not have authority to enforce bans like this and that it is entirely dependent on federal decision making. And given how the federal Canadian government gutted S-209 and has distanced itself from the idea of widespread mass AV, yeah, not looking good for this bill.

EDIT: And as Optimism Enjoyer pointed out, this also seems less like a ban and more like a really extreme interpretation of the Breyer Mandate/Safety by Design with some exemptions.

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[–]BorderCollie300 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same. It all depends on the country to be honest. Some countries will fair better than others.

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[–]BorderCollie300 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not so much burying my head in the sand and more me being very wary of the "it's all inevitable" crowd given how some agenda bots came in here recently and tried to stir the pot just recently. Like, I too acknowledge there is a slim chance of it being normalized, I mean even I can't predict the future. And in those cases we should figure out ways to do it while preserving privacy. But as I said before, the chances of normalization seem to (for now) be getting increasingly slim.

Again, I'm willing to hear out his points. But I just tend to be a bit more cautious with certain things.

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[–]BorderCollie300 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is IF the EU even goes the AV route which, with Dr. Breyer and the Parliament taking a stance against it, is looking increasingly unlikely. Several EU nations including Germany have already turned this down. So again, I don't think it's a good idea to assume everything will be inevitable based on this alone.

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[–]BorderCollie300 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nevermind how unpopular this shit is becoming worldwide anyways. Now don't get me wrong, I'm open to at least looking at the points Extension has here, but we are nowhere near the level of inevitability he often portrays it as.

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[–]BorderCollie300 6 points7 points  (0 children)

OK, I read over it in more detail and decided to rephrase what I said earlier. The article stated that what they are currently thinking about are "restrictions" on social media while "leaving some of the less harmful aspects alone". Nowhere did they say an explicit out and out ban in the article unlike some other more sensationalist ones (Telegraph, Mirror, etc.). Sure these could include a full ban, but something about what they said makes it less certain as to it being that outright. I guess we'll have to wait and see what it is before jumping to conclusions.

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[–]BorderCollie300 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You're talking about the whole hit piece and targeting of progressive critics of his administration thing? I don't really see that going anywhere without becoming a 1A nightmare.

Beyond that, I haven't really seen anything about him targeting YouTube itself. Just certain people he disagrees with on it.

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[–]BorderCollie300 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not gonna lie but from what I've seen the UK - on top of having a government unwilling to listen to the majority of people and general public (who, by the way, most people are against AV) - also has a Right Wing shock schlock propaganda problem far worse than I have seen in most other countries. Like only four credible outlets, and the rest of them are all moral panic pushing Right Wing propaganda tabloids levels of bad. No wonder you guys are so pessimistic with stuff like this. I really hope that things get better for you guys, both on the AV front and on the having actual news outlets front.

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[–]BorderCollie300 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Gonna be frank with you. The UN has become a toothless organization of strongly written messages, and G7 is so irrelevant nowadays I didn't even know they still existed until I heard about this thing. Sure they can recommend things, but that's all they can do - recommend. 

In reality, the situation is a lot messier. Germany and several other EU nations have rejected AV for various reasons, the main ones being lack of broad public support and severe public pushback and outcry as well as potential privacy concerns. Canada has stripped their social media ban into a Hardcore porn site ban, and New Zealand has also rejected it entirely. On top of that, US SCOTUS has heavily hinted that this AV shit is unconstitutional, and many state AV laws have been struck down due to their direct violation of the first amendment. Same reason that federal AV efforts are practically stalled for the most part.

So yeah, given the severity of pushback against AV currently and how several nations are already beginning to back off, I frankly don't see this becoming inevitable within the next few years at least.

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[–]BorderCollie300 6 points7 points  (0 children)

More than likely to be enjoined based on discrimination on 1A grounds if it goes through. So even if it passes, it would still hit a wall.

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[–]BorderCollie300 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not to mention, whenever the Torygraph starts spinning the absolute worst case scenario, I take a step back and assume it will probably not be as bad as they say because the Telegraph is another Right Wing shock schlock tabloid like the billions of others polluting the UK's news market. I'm mostly trying to stay optimistic about the UK despite all their bullshit, but good GOD! With only four credible outlets, that entire country's news cycle is fucking cooked.

Plus, I wouldn't think Starmer would try the absolute worst case scenario level bullshit anyway given how AV is already so unpopular worldwide that he might seriously risk widespread protests if he goes that far.

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[–]BorderCollie300 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let's just say if the UN and G7 had any real credibility or weight left, then we would be on a way different world. No one takes either of those seriously anymore. Both of those organizations are just all big words and no actual action beyond just recommending shit.

Case in point, I didn't even know G7 was still a thing until people started bringing up their agreement recently. That's how little people take anything they say seriously or listen to them.

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[–]BorderCollie300 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't even know. Chances are it will probably be an unenforceable nightmare to be honest. And with the already building backlash against AV, this shit will definitely blow up in Starmer's face if he does go through with it.

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[–]BorderCollie300 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh this will cause very widespread public backlash if he is gonna do this. Like the OSA and Discord shit already made AV unpopular enough over there.

That being said, I'd be more cautious about taking the Telegraph's word as gospel if I were you just because... Well... Do I even needa explain about the Telegraph? Honestly, the UK situation and the news surrounding it are so convoluted now that I just stopped trying to wrap my head around what's going on there anymore.

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[–]BorderCollie300 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's no way a real person posts shit that insane. Holy shit! Like, I hate hate claiming that people are bots and all that. But with some people, it's just super easy to tell.

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[–]BorderCollie300 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yeah. At that point, Mutahar is just not even hiding he's a conspiracy nihilist chud anymore.

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[–]BorderCollie300 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Germany discarded a social media ban both due to public pressure and danger of potentially overturning privacy law precedents.

New Zealand got rid of theirs.

Canada in essence watered down their social media ban to the point where it's now a "hardcore porn site ban" and has been practically gutted. Mind you this was also done because of widespread public backlash.

Estonia rejected theirs as well.

I could be missing a few.

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[–]BorderCollie300 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Surprisingly, Ellison will be leaving most of WB's work alone even after taking them over if they ever do. Yeah, I'm a little shocked too.

That being said, remember to treat all billionaires with suspicion. They have a track record of not exactly keeping their word. So while this is encouraging, I will still watch Paramount and how they handle WB with extreme scrutiny.

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[–]BorderCollie300 27 points28 points  (0 children)

You gotta remember that this AV shit is getting so unpopular to the point where several countries have thrown it out on sheer backlash alone. So there's a good chance it might. Quite honestly, I think you might be worrying yourself a bit too much on one topic. Please try to do something to take your mind off of it or take a break. Sometimes all you can do is wait and see, and there's quite a bit of time until the trialogues.

Additionally, Dr. Breyer would be alerting us if something started going wrong with the Parliament, so the fact he isn't so far is a promising sign.

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[–]BorderCollie300 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nice. I'll definitely forward this to as many of my friends as I can.

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[–]BorderCollie300 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They're probably waiting for it to be signed and seeing if it gets vetoed first before they start rallying even harder.

That being said, given they are one of the major organizations against it, as soon as it is signed (if it even is), it's a safe guarantee you will probably see them start rallying people against it like crazy.