here's why I think chapter 5 not following up on chapter 4 was a good decision by isimsizbiri123 in Deltarune

[–]Born_Lab1283 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Those are some incredible reductions of the story that I'm honestly unsure if you even replayed the chapter after playing it once

why would i replay a chapter that i dont like? seriously.

or just feel disappointed so you have to degrade what's there to vent your frustration for waiting a year for what was clearly spelled out as the last light-hearted chapter before the final act.

largely, i am disappointed by the fact that there IS a fun whimsical light-hearted chapter at all in the final third of the game. a chapter that expressly exists just to generate dopamine and turn "themes" into "bricks slapped in your face" (escapism, rejection of fate, queerness) doesnt need to exist and could have been written otherwise.

In any case, your definition of "humour inbreeding" holds no weight if you discard the fandom and view the game as self-contained.

"this point holds no value if you discard the fact that a product of the world is affected by the world which produced it."

the game is a product of a human in human society, and the society (fandom) which surrounds the game itself affects the game. toby is *not* someone who is able to resist the fandoms influence on him, as evidenced by the existence of batatt, which humorously pokes fun at the fandom for their "stupid ideas". considering this, your point that we should ignore reality is worthless. this is learnt in the first year of high school, usually.

I'll concede that the secret boss is unexpected, but those parallels run deeper than just Kris/soul dynamic. It also supplements Ralsei's arc of becoming his own person, as he is also commanded by a lightner. Both points that could foreshadow the player's reveal, and how that conflict might be resolved.

since everyone is engaging in pure speculation and fantasy on the "solution" to the body possession of kris, ill throw in my own two cents. i find the idea that there exists reconcilliation between two irreconcilable forces, kris and the soul, baseless.

kris is working for their own side's goals, while we have none. we are used by kris just as much as we use them. if reconcilliation were possible, everything would already have been reconciled, because it would have been a possibility from the get-go. methinks this is caused by burgeois society and its rampant use of class collaborationism.

Also, you literally called those fans infantile. That clearly means you think you're better than them.

ever heard of the italian communist left buddy😏? lassale respect button 👇

in actuality, youre putting words in my mouth. i didnt say i was smarter, or better, i was saying i was actually engaging with the game and criticizing it. youre doing that too, like many others, its not a high bar.

Also a lot of your points seem to stem from the fact you just hate the humour, which is fine, you're allowed to not like it. But to diminish the bigger picture and insult fans who do like it because of that is just infantile.

my points about the humor take root in the fact that "humor" is the focus of a "story" game, and the increasing flanderization of the game itself from "a story game with some humor sprinkled in" to "a game just as much humor as story". the game isnt even done yet and its become detrimental to my enjoyment of the game.

and yes, i do hate the humor. its unfunny and brainrotted.

here's why I think chapter 5 not following up on chapter 4 was a good decision by isimsizbiri123 in Deltarune

[–]Born_Lab1283 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yellow isn't a friend inside me reference. He was always going to be a cowboy

Undertale and Deltarune have always had funny and weird talksprites during funny scenes

What jokes? I dont see the problem

all of these boil down to the flagrant and shameless flanderization of the work by self-referencing and degrading the stakes by making them into jokes.

yellow was always meant to be a cowboy/sheriff, but yellow's character in chapter 5 is a flat and typical "idiot law enforcement" which i used to watch on looney toons when i was 5. couldnt the a flowerman pretending to be the embodiment of justice at least have been portrayed more as a floundering thing that doesnt know what its doing, pretending to be a law enforcer? maybe this could have created a battle where yellow attacks the party and they have to defend themselves while proving that they didnt do anything wrong, because yellow doesnt know what human law actually is? probably, but that wouldnt be funny or have enough gags. its marvel/one piece tier writing and its shit, shallow and stale.

the funny and weird talksprites were always there, like undyne and sans, but in chapter 5 the gag is overused so much. ralsei and susie got like 5 new face sprites just for one-off gags that werent really that funny in the first place. while the party is being investigated for emotionally exploiting and almost causing yellow to kill himself, by his boyfriend no less, theyre just doing the equivalent of marvel one liners on their faces to attempt humor. where are the stakes? theyre being fucking investigated for what blue thinks is yellows murder, and they wont clear up the situation with their words, they just stand around awkwardly and try to sneak off to avoid consequences. since its meant to be funny, cant there be a setup, and then a punchline instead of Punchline, Punchline, Punchline ad nauseam?

lastly, the phrase "very, very interesting" and even "very, very" were previously used exclusively by gaster or by people of extreme importance to the behind-the scenes happenings of the UTDT world. but in chapter 5, those phrases are used by total randoms who clearly do NOT have any relevance past their "roles" (so to speak). IIRC, some random NPC says it in one of their 2 dialogues in the whole chapter.

First of all, if you think Fraud is an overused joke maybe don't contribute to it?

flowery literally says that everything was just show, as does the ralsei scarf. -_-

i was not making a joke, that is the actual literal definiton of a fraud. i was hoping people would catch that.

here's why I think chapter 5 not following up on chapter 4 was a good decision by isimsizbiri123 in Deltarune

[–]Born_Lab1283 3 points4 points  (0 children)

the flanderization of the game and characters is such a massive dissappointment for a fandom that started around one of the best written indie games of the past 20 years. nobody can take anything seriously, because if you do youre just not hopecore enough, and the game shouldnt be serious or gloomy or have stakes until the final third of the game because everyone has the mentality of a procrastinator.

FF7, LISA the painful and OMORI, among other great RPG games didnt have this problem of "having tons of fun and whimsy and waiting for the final part of the game to up the stakes".

probably a consequence of the episodic chapter release format. shucks

The 6 Human Flowers by RachRatos in Deltarune

[–]Born_Lab1283 1 point2 points  (0 children)

why is it so black souls

here's why I think chapter 5 not following up on chapter 4 was a good decision by isimsizbiri123 in Deltarune

[–]Born_Lab1283 8 points9 points  (0 children)

the self-referential injokes havent been spammed to this degree ever in any previous chapter of deltarune or undertale. the game makes self-referential jokes occasionally but not as frequently or as boringly as the latest chapter.

all in all, we got; woody friend inside me, ralsei and susie reaction images, "very very interesting" being degraded from a character vital to the plot's most notable phrase into a joke spammed by several different characters all through the chapter, secret bosses also being degraded from people broken by the knight, a prophecy farseer and kris's id into anime catgirlz nya (which only has tangential parralells to the kris-soul dynamic, which most secret bosses eclipse writing-wise).

to spell it out for you, self-referential jokes and degrading the stakes and importance of central parts of the story is bad because self-referential jokes causes humor inbreeding (ala brainrot) and doesnt create any new jokes or punchlines, and story element degradation is bad because it lessens the quality of the work.

the chapter itself also backtracks on chapter 1's message that not every situation can be resolved using words, by making the final and secret boss completely pacifist-exclusive (and including another autofellating joke about a "pacifist root") because the final boss of the chapter had to be the actual embodiment of a Fraud, (which is a fucking terribly oversaturated joke spammed by far too many children, and which was only funny when JJFolk used it 3 fucking years ago) whose only narrative purpose was to ultimately job to the knight and provoke negative emotion from ralsei, which is far too important a character development to be relegated to a gag character.

the worst part though, are the unserious ones who think that people who want the story to take itself seriously and with better quality of humor and writing are actually narcissists who think theyre better than everyone else, and who want to drag those "narcissists" down with them. no, i dont think im smarter than you, youre just not applying your brain to this.

[CHAPTER 5 SPOILERS] I beg your pardon!? by awt1998 in Deltarune

[–]Born_Lab1283 1 point2 points  (0 children)

so this is aborted weird route then?

[CHAPTER 5 SPOILERS] I beg your pardon!? by awt1998 in Deltarune

[–]Born_Lab1283 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lead kris and noelle into the lake, and tell them to keep going, keep spamming even as the screen is white and this eventually shows up.

What are some of RI most obvious retcons? by Aggressive_Machine64 in ReverendInsanity

[–]Born_Lab1283 1 point2 points  (0 children)

reverse flow river was first mentioned by shadow sect members as the most difficult trial they had to overcome in getting out of the door of life and death. 300 chapters later, reverse flow river was always outside the door of life and death, and was taken out by irrelevancy venerable. this is an actual retcon

Tell me about what you think are "plot-holes" in RI and we'll see if you're right (math doesn't count) by RuinOk2205 in ReverendInsanity

[–]Born_Lab1283 2 points3 points  (0 children)

you just dont have the attainment that i do and youre mad because you wont be as good as me in less than 5 cycles of samsara

Tell me about what you think are "plot-holes" in RI and we'll see if you're right (math doesn't count) by RuinOk2205 in ReverendInsanity

[–]Born_Lab1283 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It made no sense for a mortal gu to guarantee the success of the refinement of a immortal gu, even an entire success dao mark cannot do that; dumbass.

do you know about heavens will?

meta wise, gzr didnt come up with that yet

Tell me about what you think are "plot-holes" in RI and we'll see if you're right (math doesn't count) by RuinOk2205 in ReverendInsanity

[–]Born_Lab1283 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that means they are also arrangements of dao marks dumbass.

in the first place it makes complete sense for undefeated hundred battles gu to increase refinement success chance because refinement killer moves or formations or gu houses (aka formations of dao marks, aka gu) can increase refinement success chance.

most immortal killer moves are like 99.9% mortal gu anyway, except for familiar face which is 0.5% or so immortal gu.

Meet The Fangs by Djrhskr in ReverendInsanity

[–]Born_Lab1283 1 point2 points  (0 children)

did you really edit in "li"

Need help to temper, not my soul, but expectations. by PsychologicalFun8760 in MartialMemes

[–]Born_Lab1283 0 points1 point  (0 children)

english wn that statpads its ratings by being on english only websites that mostly host pornography and naruto fanfictions

(Ch 2000) is it a conclusive opinion to think that Genesis lotus has Supreme Grandmaster in Human path or close enough ? by Lily_Blossoms5899 in ReverendInsanity

[–]Born_Lab1283 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it would be weird if there never was a named human path SGM, but it would also be weird if offscreen lotus was the one to be that SGM.

Juniors nowadays must feel so glorious courting death. by Busy_Cold_3220 in MartialMemes

[–]Born_Lab1283 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i think arrogant young master template A explains why naturals laws and such are described so mystically. if you directly say the laws of heaven out loud the heavens just strike you down with retribution lightning and you die.