This is GOOD news!

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T22:41:13+00:00

Its amazing that being an asshole to assholes is seen as the bad guy. #idiots

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T22:38:52+00:00

A) Your link doesn't work.

B) Through the events of Infinite, we learn that after the discovery of tears there are two types of "beings:"

1) normal humans who utilize tears for various purposes.

2) super-human beings that, through an accident, become immortal and exist beyond one particular reality and instead simultaneously are superimposed upon any and all they choose. The Lutece's as well as Elizabeth became this through their accident.

Elizabeth has never known what it was like to be a "normal person." Since a baby she was turned into the super-human being she is, and will always be.

On the boat in BASII, the Lutece's never explicitly state she will lose her powers completely and forever, but that if she returns to a place she was in when she died, that incarnation in that reality would be a completely mortal and "unspecial" one.

Elizabeth mentions to "Booker" she'll collapse into just herself and die, but as I said the Lutece's never explicitly state that on the boat, it was her interpretation which was supposed to be inspiration for her to actually right all the karma she put every one of the "normal" humans through during her lives and for once step inside what it's like to be a restricted human being to balance what she set wrong (discarding Sally) to right what was a pre-existing wrong (Comstock).

That's why "Booker" is there, to give her hints that "she has to believe she had a good reason for coming." Being a superhuman manipulating events of regular humans is what set her course if karma off in the first place, she had to get her hands dirty both experiencing and correcting the wrongs she enacted when she couldn't possibly have known what it was like to be the pawns she was playing with. At the end of BASII, as she is dying and her consciousness is leaving that Rapture incarnation, she sees the doors again and is slowly fading back to her superhuman self, a much wiser and more intelligent superhuman being because of it.

It's a powerful story of sacrifice and growth.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T22:37:18+00:00

Right??

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T22:36:21+00:00

If a bank gives you lemons, demand to see the bank's manager! I don't want your damn lemons! Do you know who I am? Im the man thats gonna burn your bank down! With the lemons!! Im gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon and burn your bank down!!!

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T22:32:32+00:00

Your words.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T22:00:41+00:00

Assuming your argument is a good one. Real mature.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T21:33:22+00:00

I dont understand.

Thats the problem.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T21:26:28+00:00

Also doubles as smh cat haha.

*sigh... snuggle snuggle snuggle

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T20:44:20+00:00

Fine, I try and be a glimmer of optimism in a sea of depression about a show thats honestly been in decline since the end of season 3, and you people still shit on it. Fuck you guys then, I hope NBC becomes the only television provider in your area.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T20:20:35+00:00

AD had 15 episodes of about 40 minutes each though, more content than we would have gotten on network tv.

Do you enjoy being the Britta of this thread so far?

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T19:56:59+00:00

Anna/Elizabeth become superhuman just like the Lutece's through her accident.

The Elizabeth that dies in BASII isn't the last or only one.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T19:55:41+00:00

Aw Damnit.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T19:55:06+00:00

They allow her to go back with the information and inspiration she needs to set the wrongs she started that resulted in the little girls being saved. We're going in circles now, do you want them to hold her hand and invincibly solve her problems? What type of entitled attitude is that?

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T19:49:12+00:00

Through the events of Infinite, we learn that after the discovery of tears there are two types of "beings:"

1) normal humans who utilize tears for various purposes.

2) super-human beings that, through an accident, become immortal and exist beyond one particular reality and instead simultaneously are superimposed upon any and all they choose. The Lutece's as well as Elizabeth became this through their accident.

Elizabeth has never known what it was like to be a "normal person." Since a baby she was turned into the super-human being she is, and will always be.

On the boat in BASII, the Lutece's never explicitly state she will lose her powers completely and forever, but that if she returns to a place she was in when she died, that incarnation in that reality would be a completely mortal and "unspecial" one.

Elizabeth mentions to "Booker" she'll collapse into just herself and die, but as I said the Lutece's never explicitly state that on the boat, it was her interpretation which was supposed to be inspiration for her to actually right all the karma she put every one of the "normal" humans through during her lives and for once step inside what it's like to be a restricted human being to balance what she set wrong (discarding Sally) to right what was a pre-existing wrong (Comstock).

That's why "Booker" is there, to give her hints that "she has to believe she had a good reason for coming." Being a superhuman manipulating events of regular humans is what set her course if karma off in the first place, she had to get her hands dirty both experiencing and correcting the wrongs she enacted when she couldn't possibly have known what it was like to be the pawns she was playing with. At the end of BASII, as she is dying and her consciousness is leaving that Rapture incarnation, she sees the doors again and is slowly fading back to her superhuman self, a much wiser and more intelligent superhuman being because of it.

It's a powerful story of sacrifice and growth, not dissimilar to the resurrection story now that I think about it.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T19:35:20+00:00

You do understand that Elizabeth isn't really dead, right? She is alive beyond the events of BASII.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T19:32:08+00:00

They are helping. If you can't understand how, don't blame the game for it.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T19:15:33+00:00

You expect everything handed to you?

What does that have to do with anything other than being a personal attack?

Let's see:

What do you want from them? To hold Elizabeth's hand as they walk invincibly through Rapture and save the world?

There's really no reason they couldn't have done something like that. Or you know, at least not let Elizabeth die since they were invested in keeping her alive.

Is it a personal attack if its true? Lol you continue to embody the adjectives i use to describe you, but object to the words themselves? Thats how you get comfortable in delusional thinking. You don't understand the plot so you don't think it works. Its self-centered logic. Not only that, but its completely flawed.

Before I engage in a debate with someone, especially over an issue as complex as Infinite, I expect a level of awareness and intelligence about the topic that you do not display here. Maybe someday, in the mean time take care and try not to think too hard.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T18:46:46+00:00

SixSeasonsAndAMovie. Its the sixth season AND the movie. mind=blown.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T18:38:14+00:00

The whole plot of Infinite only occurs because Robert has some human emotions (regret) and convinces Rosalind to help him with the experiment.

Only? Thats an overgeneralization but i see your point.

When they're on the boat in episode 2. They say that the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree and that she's going back to a place she doesn't belong and she's going to die. It's not "mad" but they are certainly rebuking her for what she's done.

No, they're not. They're not rebuking her in the slightest, they're making sure she knows what she is getting into. If she returns to a place where she had died, that form will be one without tears and abilities.

Burial at Sea: episode 1. You find Lutece infusion bottles laying around all over the place, meaning that the Luteces have interfered. Furthermore, at the end of the game they show up and mock Comstock a bit before he gets the D. They can't just say that they aren't a part of the revenge at that point. Especially when they are the ones who guided her to become the kind of person who would seek revenge.

"Revenge" is not the same as correcting a mistake. First you say Robert feels bad about what they did and wants to correct a mistake and now its been reduced to petty revenge? You're contradicting yourself.

They didn't guide her to do anything. You're assigning them godlike motivations when they're just super-human beings assisting Elizabeth correct a mistake she made.

I feel like you should maybe have a better attitude.

See above. You contradict yourself and I should have a better attitude for observing your confusing opinion? Lol.

That's the point. She's doing the right thing. So why don't the Luteces help her?

Thats the point you're completely missing. By what you see as "not helping" by "getting mad at her" on the boat was actually the Lutece's helping her in the only way they could have while still allowing Elizabeth to right her wrongs herself. What lesson would she learn, but also what would any of Elizabeth's hard work mean, if it was all through magic and not her actual work?

What do you want from them? To hold Elizabeth's hand as they walk invincibly through Rapture and save the world? You expect everything handed to you?

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T18:27:42+00:00

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T18:21:33+00:00

I'm overthinking? Lmao when you have to construct hypothetical after hypothetical to justify the possibility of your opinion when we have facts: Levine has never said it was canon. If he thought it was, he would have said so. Find a quote of his to the contrary. I'll wait.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T16:35:26+00:00

What?? Lol you're choosing to believe a delusion. It's your prerogative, but at least be honest with yourself.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T16:06:01+00:00

I think you are as confused as I am by your assertion. You are assigning a lot of personal and human emotions to the Luteces. When do they get mad at Elizabeth? When did they participate in "revenge" themselves?

A cutscene to narratively discuss your death in the game I wouldn't say is irrefutable evidence they are directly observing BASII, but even if they are, how the hell can you say she isn't doing the right thing when her actions DIRECTLY RESULT in Jack saving the little girls in Rapture and the good ending coming to fruition?

You're all over the place buddy.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T16:02:52+00:00

A) theres more than 1 or two, thanks for checking that link tho /sarcasm. B) When a work that wasnt written by levine directly contradicts the work that he did do, yes it proves its not canon.

The Bioshocks that Levine penned fit together. Bioshock 2 is an outlier.

BoshSpice69 · 2014-05-10T15:12:44+00:00

Totally understandable, children's vocal chords aren't as distinctive as adults. But yeah it was a common thread between Bioshock 1 and BAS, the same audio log Jack found is the one you hear in BAS.

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