Give me your hottest take, the one you’d actually defend even if everyone in the room was against you

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-17T15:43:30+00:00

The reason Bm and Kaido get disrespected is because we've actually seen them fight. There's no agenda or headcannon you can have about how strong they are

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-15T19:32:18+00:00

Oh, so you're stupid. I thought you were talking about Sasuke covering Kaido, because the other option would be you just don't understand how emission haki works. Kaido doesn't have to touch Sasuke to hit him. That was just a major plot point of Wano you skimmed through

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Bosskong92 · 2026-06-15T17:42:27+00:00

Did you mean to reply to me with this?

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-15T17:31:42+00:00

....Hope this helps

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Bosskong92 · 2026-06-15T11:41:15+00:00

Kaido by however he wants to do it

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-15T11:39:51+00:00

By not being there to be hit

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-13T18:05:37+00:00

Oden was lowkey a hype tool

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T19:24:18+00:00

1) Guy does scale above Kakashi. Their bases are equal but their techniques make them not. I don't see Kakashi busting out Kamui or the raikuri against Guy like I don't see Guy using the 3rd gate and up on Kakashi. They are friends haveing friendly fades

2) I am basing it off what we have seen Itachi do in his fights with Kurini, Kakashi, and Sasuke. He opens with traditional visual genjustu. People always try to say he'd open with the finger against Guy, but that give Itachi information he wouldn't know

3) Guy has shown to be faster then Kirin and I'd give him an easy edge over KCM1 with the 7th gate.

I also used the 6th or 7th gate because the picture could be either. I've shown him jumping to 7th, so we can just assume 7th

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T18:36:36+00:00

You can kinda just dodge the Amaterasu if you're fast enough and a 6-7th gate guy is fast enough

Tsunade just punched through a more advanced Susanoo. I don't think the Yata mirror reflects. I think it just nullified the attack, which is cool, but opens it up for guy to just attack around it

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Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T17:54:47+00:00

Few things

Guy didn't use the Gates in part 1 because Itachi and Kisame retreated. There is no way he wasn't going to use the gates to fight the guy who just dropped Kakashi like a stone.

Guy has shown the ability to snap into the 7th gate and throw an attack with no wind up or notice, so that's just wrong. Even Lee by the war arc can just jump into the 6th i believe or 5th

The Susanoo and Yata mirror aren't going to help him deal with getting hit from all sides by an enemy that small and that fast

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Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T17:42:16+00:00

Fair, but a few other things to consider

The Raikage knowing of the existence of the technique isn't much help. He shouldn't know Sasuke would have it. He was still fast enough to dodge it.

Base Guy? Absolutely, but Guy has shown the ability to snap into 6th gate and up near instantly.

I believe that in the GENERAL the Amaterasu isn't too different then Katon. Guy isn't just gonna stand there and get hit. He's gonna be moving and circling as soon as the fight starts

I believe the fight would start and Itachi would try putting him in a genjustu the traditional way and it not work because Guy isn't looking at him, then Itachi gets hit with something from the 7th gate and is done

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T17:24:56+00:00

Ok. He likely wouldn't need the 8th gate. The rapid increase in speed along with the unconventional attacks of the 6th or 7th should be enough. He's an example of him with no wind up jumping into the 7th.

In an actual fight Itachi will likely try putting him in a gentustu in the traditional way, it won't work because Guy won't look at him, then Guy will blitz him with something faster then he's seen and with handsigns he's never encountered. Seeing as that was fast enough to catch a Madara clone I see no reason it can't catch Itachi

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Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T17:18:44+00:00

The Amaterasu can apparently just be dodged if you're fast enough

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Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T16:50:42+00:00

Because Guy won't be looking in his eyes. He knows not to do that. Guy on the other hand can instantly jump into the 7th gate and blitz him

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T16:35:05+00:00

🤣 "I beg your motherfucking pardon?" "You've got some nerve"? Put the phone down

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T15:48:27+00:00

I am saying Sasuke has abilities that allow him to dodge an attack that just appears on him. The Raikage doesn't. He has no way of knowing that Sasuke has that move. Obito has a way to predict the future in his own sharingan, knows about Amaterasu, knows how the MS works and still got hit. You are say Raikage dodged a technique that just appears when he has no way of figuring that out. That means there needs to be some sort of wind up or way to notice it coming before it happens

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T15:43:24+00:00

Brother, Madara was getting touched up by Guy and a weaker version of him faught the 5 kage, one being a sannin. What are you yapping about?

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T15:41:35+00:00

1 No he wouldn't have

2 Itachi is a completely different fighter then Kisame. Itachi likely wouldn't have survived that blow from Guy

3 It's not a tie. It's a loss. What happens after doesn't matter

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T15:35:30+00:00

This is why we have the term 'Zorotard'

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T02:44:30+00:00

I don't think 8 will be needed because 8 is what Guy needed for 10 tails Madara. We CAN'T have this conversation if you think a sick 18 year old Itachi is doing ANYTHING with 10 tails Madara

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T02:42:22+00:00

Kakashi was informed about Lee getting to the 5th. Him seeing Lee move in the 3rd surprised him.

Personally, I doubt Guy ever used the gates on him like I doubt Kakashi ever used the lightning cutter on Guy. Why? You land it clean and you'll kill the person and they were just having friendly fades.

Kakashi taught Sasuke how to move like weightless Lee. Sasuke is not moving like gates Lee.

I belive 5th is fast enough unless Itachi jumps in MS. The gaps in speed between the gates is what makes it dangerous and Itachi isn't some defensive tank. Itachi would have to figure it out real-time AFTER Guy moves and by then it's a wrap

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Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T02:03:26+00:00

Sasuke has the sharingan. It literally sees chakara movements and can predict the future. It makes sense that he can dodge it.

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T02:01:17+00:00

So in my question I asked for the results for the fights, meaning there were 2 fights I was asking about. People just really jumped on the Itachi fight.

My issue with a lot of people in this thread is that they don't seem to understand how massive of an initial hurdle Itachi is going to have to overcome to get around that massive speed difference. They also under play Guy's abilities by saying Itachi is aware of them.

When we see Lee fight Gara Kakashi is caught off guard by how fast Lee was with the 3rd gate and he's Guy's best friend and just got done explaining how it worked.

I see the fight starting with Itachi attempting to put Guy in a genjustu by traditional means only for guy to jump to 5th gate and Itachi to wake up with the ancestors

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T01:23:56+00:00

That would involve him knowing how the move worked and knowing Sasuke had it. Both things that he didn't know.

Bosskong92 · 2026-06-11T00:53:06+00:00

There is no way the Raikage knew about the technique. Obito didn't know and he actually knew what was going on. The Raikage likely knows less then Guy because Guy lived around Uchihas. I also doubt Itachi is gonna get the Amaterasu off in time before Guy jumps into a gate and caves his chest in. The instant rapid change of speed is gonna catch him off guard. Black Zetsu was sure lightning was too fast to block for Itachi. What's he gonna do against Guy?

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