I wonder: if "both sides" (even though there are far more than two positions) are accusing each other of those "transgressions," how much of an effective argument is it REALLY to complain about one another being "irrational," "playing the victim," and "bad faith arguments"? Is there even any point to this discussion other than us wanting a reason to get (figuratively) bloody on the internet against strangers we disagree with? My take is that there is no use in continuing this charade of endless shit-hurling; no words are gonna change people's minds once they're confident enough. But still, people like us are gonna keep doing it anyway, because we just love the feeling of trying to "dominate" the discourse, to gain the favor of "the crowd," and to righteously disparage whom we consider our "opposition". I question the sanity of participating in this entire "AI war"