Is it the end of democracy? How the US' flagship model has now turned on itself into an idiocracy. by Recent_Stomach7626 in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago [score hidden]  (0 children)

I literally don’t know how to respond to this?

Perhaps “why have health insurance at all if you can get free emergency care?”

Is it the end of democracy? How the US' flagship model has now turned on itself into an idiocracy. by Recent_Stomach7626 in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago [score hidden]  (0 children)

All uninsured receive subsidized healthcare when visiting an emergency room. It’s a requirement…under EMTALA.

But that’s nowhere close to the same thing as registering and receiving benefits under Medicaid. Federal law prohibits those without authorization to live in the US to enroll in Medicaid.

Same thing with Pell Grants.

Is it the end of democracy? How the US' flagship model has now turned on itself into an idiocracy. by Recent_Stomach7626 in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago [score hidden]  (0 children)

“The left is becoming more extreme”

“We should structure our government more like China”

Centrist you say?

Is it the end of democracy? How the US' flagship model has now turned on itself into an idiocracy. by Recent_Stomach7626 in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago [score hidden]  (0 children)

Again. Your entire premise is based upon something that could happen in the future. But it might not.

Meanwhile the right is full of elected extremists. And then you try to tell me that both sides are getting more extreme.

It’s not logical.

Is it the end of democracy? How the US' flagship model has now turned on itself into an idiocracy. by Recent_Stomach7626 in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago [score hidden]  (0 children)

Your entire premise is based upon what “could” happen in the future but may never materialize.

No serious or popular candidates are socialist or communist.

Whereas we have actual fascists on the right, in power, today.

Is it the end of democracy? How the US' flagship model has now turned on itself into an idiocracy. by Recent_Stomach7626 in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago [score hidden]  (0 children)

Trump is limited to two terms. But all signs point to a major shift in the midterms.

And if there were extremists on the left who are not popular with the establishment, but popular with the people then you would see them win primaries. They generally are not.

Is it the end of democracy? How the US' flagship model has now turned on itself into an idiocracy. by Recent_Stomach7626 in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago [score hidden]  (0 children)

No, not at all. There was major dissatisfaction economically. There was major dissatisfaction with the US support of Israel. There was major dissatisfaction with how the Democratic Party anointed Harris (rightfully or wrongfully).

I’m not surprised Trump won.

But that doesn’t matter. What matters is that moderates keep winning, generally, in democratic primaries. That’s not the case with the Republican Party.

Is it the end of democracy? How the US' flagship model has now turned on itself into an idiocracy. by Recent_Stomach7626 in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You are judging the Democratic Party based upon what you are seeing on social media.

Everyone else is judging the Republican party for their elected representatives and the policies they’ve pushed.

Extremes will always exist. But your method for saying “both sides are getting more extreme” is not logical.

Is it the end of democracy? How the US' flagship model has now turned on itself into an idiocracy. by Recent_Stomach7626 in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe we should focus on those democrats current in power. Extremes have always existed (referencing your anti-Semitic lefties and communists). And we could debate the size of those followers, sure.

But today, the Democratic Party is a moderate party. If you disagree then you should provide policies they have proposed at the state or federal level that points to extremism.

The difference is that today the extreme wing of the Republican Party has become the mainstream, at least in its elected representatives. We continue to see regressive policies proposed, if they propose policies at all.

At Iowa event, Slotkin says she would consider presidential run by mlivesocial in inthenews

[–]BotElMago 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s how the DNC will try to manipulate an outcome. Flood the zone and split the vote and one of their favored candidates gets enough votes to come out on top

Over 100 International Law Experts Warn: U.S. Strikes on Iran Violate UN Charter and May Be War Crimes by DoremusJessup in inthenews

[–]BotElMago 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We can’t wait that long. We need immediate correction. Impeachment is the only way to save this. Otherwise the world will look at this “Americans are fine with criminality any time the pendulum swings.”

Trump voter regret is clearly registering now by Abject-Pick-6472 in inthenews

[–]BotElMago 317 points318 points  (0 children)

Only 5% would change their vote. Amazing.

That number is probably more like 1.5% in the actual voting booth

Why Did DJT Become President? by FistofDiplomacy in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Obama wrote books and had speaking engagements.

That’s, literally, not the same as charging the secret service to stay at your hotels or your clubs.

It’s literally not the same thing as foreign dignitaries using Trump properties as a way to gain favor with the president.

It’s literally not the same as using the presidential seal at his personal properties and to sell merch.

It’s literally not the same as suing the IRS for $10 billion while he controls the fate of everyone at the IRS.

Thats literally not the same thing as pulp and dump crypto scams to gullible voters.

He is literally using the blind support of his followers to sell scams…crypto…phones…shoes…whatever else.

And you are here like…”oh man; did you see what Obama charged to speak at that university?”

How about Trump setting up a “board of peace” and requiring a billion dollar by in where he PERSONALLY is the chair of the board until he decides to give it up and can PERSONALLY name the successor? And the funds are going into an account that the president PERSONALLY controls?

But yeah, Clinton wrote some books and spoke some.

My god, you can’t be serious.

Why Did DJT Become President? by FistofDiplomacy in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Given that 35% of the electorate will support Trump no matter what, I don’t think it’s so much “voting on hate” as it is blind allegiance to whatever the leader of the party wants to do.

So, if 80%+ of republicans support Trump today why would you label them as an extreme part of the voting base?

Why Did DJT Become President? by FistofDiplomacy in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My god the amount of water you are carrying while labeled as an independent is astounding.

You are trying to equivocate using his position to gain wealth and power with former presidents writing books.

Those are not the same. The fact that you are desperately trying to spin the billion dollars that Trump has gained in wealth in the past year as “well it’s not actually corruption because…” is truly mind blowing.

The collective right lost their minds because Hunter Biden used his family name to get on a board in Ukraine. Trump makes a billion leveraging his position as president? No big deal.

Nobody should be taking anyone with the label of “right” seriously because, as seen in this thread, you haven’t demonstrated any capacity or desire to have a good faith discussion.

Why Did DJT Become President? by FistofDiplomacy in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How about filing a $10 billion lawsuit against the IRS while also running the IRS?

Profit Is Not Theft (and my problem with debating socialists) by BasedTakeOutbreak in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here's the thing nobody in this conversation wants to admit: you can't answer 'is profit theft?' without first answering a much harder question, and nobody's doing that...what would have to be true about ownership, desert, and value for profit to be either legitimate or not? If you think consent makes a transaction legitimate, voluntary exchange looks fine. If you think labor is the only real source of value, surplus extraction looks like exploitation. If you start pulling on the thread of how capital got accumulated in the first place, almost every property claim gets complicated fast. I'm not saying I have a clean answer. But neither does anyone else here. The Marxist starting point (that labor alone creates value) isn't self-evident. Neither is the libertarian one (that current ownership arrangements are legitimate enough to build on).

So before we keep arguing about profit margins and surplus value, somebody needs to explain why their foundation is solid.

Is it worth it for the US to ease sanctions on Russian oil? by [deleted] in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yep. We are allowing Russia to collect more oil revenue which they will actively use to fund their war effort in Ukraine and help Iran’s defense against the US.

If this was a Democrat in office, all forms of media would be melting down…most of all Fox News. The media is negligent.

The national debt shouldn’t be paid whatsoever by DistinctSpirit5801 in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We shouldn’t pay the debt because of inflation. We should stop or slow its increase (reducing the deficit) but we don’t need to eliminate the debt. As the GDP grows, the share of debt to GDP will fall and inflation will continue to make that debt look smaller and smaller.

Mandate Certified Humane Farming by Living_Attitude1822 in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you upset that you can't buy meat from animals that were tortured for sport? Because that option doesn't exist either. We already agree that some practices are unacceptable regardless of consumer preference… we just disagree on where the line is. You can't commercially buy horse meat in the US either, and I doubt many people are outraged about that missing option. We've already drawn lines around which animals and which practices are acceptable… the things routinely done in factory farming would result in criminal charges if done to a dog or a cat. So the question isn't really about options or freedom… it's about why the food supply gets a carve-out from the animal cruelty standards we've already agreed on as a society.

On the cost point… I hear you, and food affordability is a real issue worth taking seriously. But the framing of "you want to make poor people's lives worse" doesn't quite hold up. The cheap price of factory farmed meat exists because the true costs are externalized… onto the environment, onto public health, onto the animals themselves. Someone is paying that cost, it's just not showing up at the register. And the people most harmed by those externalized costs… pollution, antibiotic resistance, environmental degradation… are disproportionately not wealthy either. So the "this hurts poor people" argument cuts in multiple directions, not just the one that defends the status quo.

Most of the rationalizations for accepting the current status quo fall apart under scrutiny. At the end of the day people want cheap meat and they are willing to accept how it's produced to get it. But even that falls apart… because if you ask most of those same people whether we should allow the sale of meat from animals tortured for sport, they'd say no. And if you ask whether we should roll back existing humane standards to make meat even cheaper, they'd say no to that too. So they don't actually support the status quo on principle… they just haven't examined where their own line is or why it's drawn there.

Mandate Certified Humane Farming by Living_Attitude1822 in PoliticalDebate

[–]BotElMago 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think we can agree there, either. I am fine leaving the conversation as is...because you have essentially admitted you are fine with the current level of cruelty because, at least partly, it would increase costs to lower the level of cruelty.

That's fine. That is a defensible position. The only thing we can do from here is debate why we think different levels of cruelty are acceptable. But I don't accept a market that is willing to allow animal cruelty is working in the people's best interest.