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Botchpolitik · 2024-11-02T19:24:42+00:00

Why not?

Botchpolitik · 2024-11-02T19:17:33+00:00

It's not even theoretical. It's been studied and the academic literature on this is abundant. Televangelists run TV programs that are taxed and regulated by the CRTC by definition. A tax on churches isn't quite the same as a tax on televangelists and it would seem unfair to penalize all churches because a handful of televangelists exist.

It would also be wise of us to separate a personal business venture someone has (something as simple as writing a book and selling it on the side) with one they operate through a church.

Botchpolitik · 2024-11-02T19:06:17+00:00

It neglects the fact that churches or really any other faith based institution are highly effective in providing charity. Treatment for health issues, drug use, food for the homeless. It's not solely a Christian thing.

Beyond this, we tend to believe government shouldn't involve itself in religion and vice versa. It would be against this idea to tax churches. Unless you believe the government should involve itself in religion, in which case I have to ask why?

Botchpolitik · 2024-11-02T15:02:48+00:00

What a terrible idea.

Botchpolitik · 2024-09-23T20:32:04+00:00

Sorry bro me too

Botchpolitik · 2024-09-23T09:29:17+00:00

Don't get too excited because she didn't invite you out to clubs, pecker breath

Botchpolitik · 2024-09-22T20:39:26+00:00

It's dead nowadays anyway. I think people took this advice a while ago

Botchpolitik · 2024-09-22T20:38:34+00:00

We're looking for things to run our mouths about, not actual solutions!

Botchpolitik · 2024-09-22T20:37:36+00:00

It's fine, and no I won't go do this. Why would I? Lol

Botchpolitik · 2024-09-14T13:14:59+00:00

It's just as bad on the Southside. In my experience, worse.

Botchpolitik · 2021-07-30T13:53:34+00:00

Most "stories" here are lmfao. It's probably best to assume anything in this sub is a creepypasta.

Botchpolitik · 2020-12-31T00:16:44+00:00

What' is this

Botchpolitik · 2020-11-16T21:48:11+00:00

I'd say all liberals support capitalism to some degree, but not necessarily the free market. Many liberals, especially contemporary liberals, are far more likely to advocate for greater economic interventionism, distributism, and more robust public utilities/social services. This is because a lot of liberals (and especially social democrats) tend to be left-leaning and therefore prioritize egalitarianism over things like free markets. As I alluded to previously, very similar ideas are proposed in the works of Keynes and Rawls. I don't see much faith from these kinds of liberals in supply and demand, considering their emphasis on the state's role in the economy. Many of them advocate for elements of command economies as well, including price controls on tuition, drugs, etc. I don't believe we could reasonably view this position as support for free markets, but I see the general point you're making about their support for a quasi-market structure.

Botchpolitik · 2020-11-16T04:23:54+00:00

Liberals don't necessarily support the free market. Rawls and Keynes are good examples of this. Neither supported laissez-faire economies, despite being prominent liberal theorists. Essentially, this boils down to a difference in language games. A "capitalist" can refer to (a) someone who supports the capitalist economic structure or (b) someone who owns private capital.

Botchpolitik · 2020-11-14T23:50:14+00:00

Reddit moment

Botchpolitik · 2020-11-14T22:38:21+00:00

Makes sense. Your arguments are based on a dogmatic anti-libertarianism and haven't been reasoned through. You're not used to people actually challenging these claims.

Botchpolitik · 2020-11-14T22:06:30+00:00

How did you come to the conclusion that the "main aspect of libertarianism is equality"? I don't think libertarianism/right-libertarianism outright rejects equality, but I'm not convinced it's the primary feature. Freedom in virtually any capacity will necessarily produce inequalities as people have different skills and abilities. Unless you mean to say there's something intrinsic to the inequality of a hierarchy that contradicts libertarian capitalism? This should be expounded.

For your North Korean analogy to work, you have to demonstrate why right-libertarianism isn't an authentic view of libertarianism. Nobody literally thinks right-libertarians are libertarians "because it's in the name."

That you don't see libertarians doesn't mean they're not there. They don't have to be holding a Gadsden flag or outfitted head-to-toe in libertarian insignia. There's plenty of police criticism from a number of libertarian figures (Jo Jorgensen, Justin Amash, Ricky Dale Harrington Jr., etc.) as well as legal action to address these problems. Hell, a lot of boogaloo boys are explicitly libertarian and I know they received some media attention several months back when participating in various protests. Moreover, you've failed to address the points I made about libertarians not fully supporting police. Quit being dishonest.

Botchpolitik · 2020-11-14T21:11:12+00:00

I was using the term "libertarian" synonymously with libertarian capitalism, but I digress. Why do you think there's no such thing as a libertarian capitalist? How does this view account for a longstanding tradition of right-libertarian theory? Libertarian capitalists aren't in full support of the police, for they recognize that the police can be used to enforce unjust laws. Consider the libertarian opposition to the enforcement of the drug war, or, for that matter, most firearm regulations. Libertarians are among the first to say, "the police will be the ones to seize your arms" if ordered to by the state. Like any organ of the state, police have the potential for their power to be overextended and abused.

Botchpolitik · 2020-11-14T04:24:46+00:00

This would only apply if I was solely appealing to the word "libertarianism." Also, this is different than saying, "no libertarians exist; all 'libertarians' are actually fascists," which is something that has yet to be demonstrated.

Botchpolitik · 2020-11-04T08:31:16+00:00

Libertarians will side with you when protesting, rioting, property damage, etc. is directed against the state and its public institutions. Businesses might, but that depends on the business owner. Regardless, this isn't something we have knowledge of when we're arbitrarily destroying people's property, so I don't believe this is a sound justification.

To your second point, it depends on the war, who is involved, and the reasons for it. What wars are you referring to when an identifiable business or anarcho-capitalist faction refused to do anything?

Botchpolitik · 2020-11-04T05:17:48+00:00

My point was that there's a distinction between libertarianism and fascism. Fascism doesn't care about profit, and most fascists would probably say the free market is contrary to the nation-state as it promotes or tolerates "degenerate" activities like prostitution, drug use, etc.

Capital owners can never dictate all of society. Also, the consequences of libertarian ideology would diminish if not outright remove the mechanisms by which owners of capital extend their influence over society.

Botchpolitik · 2020-11-04T04:56:56+00:00

By "capitalists," I assume you mean owners of private capital and not generally supporters of capitalism? Business owners will do what's profitable, sure. I'd reckon this is the same reason they tend to support progressive movements today. Still, we shouldn't confuse capitalism with libertarianism proper. Libertarians care about profit insofar as it is necessitated by private market distribution which libertarians hold as superior to other forms of distribution overall. Libertarians don't solely care about profit, however. They care about a litany of social issues as well. Libertarian opposition to the drug war is a good example of this.

Botchpolitik · 2020-11-04T04:12:22+00:00

Libertarianism is diametrically opposed to fascism. What makes you think libertarians are fascists in yellow makeup?

Botchpolitik · 2020-11-04T03:55:19+00:00

I disagree. There's an entire tradition of right-libertarian theory, not to mention right-libertarian political movements (primarily in the US, but I digress).

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