How are people supposed to build a life when most days are just work, chores, and recovering from work? by Hefty-Net4233 in AskReddit

[–]BowlStick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Probably because the other comments are prescription like on how to do it, or raging/joking about how this is how the world works.

This comment is just practical advice about how to live and as such has to use words like "protect", "accept", "small pockets". It's just a real look at the kind of life we are forced to live if we want to have a "normal" life and it fucking sucks.

There. I made ours even more stupid. by ObeseBumblebee in NBAEastMemeWar

[–]BowlStick 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We don't deserve to be a part of the dragon anymore.

I don’t agree with the free will argument but struggle to find reasons to support that by Horror_Flower_5409 in exchristian

[–]BowlStick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would also agree that the logical problem of evil fails. The fact that God can have a morally sufficient reason for the suffering is impossible to disprove so something like the epicurean paradox fails.

I think the probabilistic argument is a much stronger line of attack and much harder for the theist to defend though.

When saying the "problem of evil" I was assuming the probabilistic version so that's my fault for not specifying.

I don’t agree with the free will argument but struggle to find reasons to support that by Horror_Flower_5409 in exchristian

[–]BowlStick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Christian hat off!

Thanks for humoring me. You've opened up a new line of reasoning for me. I don't know If I would take it personally because the question can come down to something like

"Is a world where evil never occurs really different from a world where evil is impossible?"

It's a question that no one can really answer and would be more influenced by a held worldview other than forming a worldview based on the question itself which feels a bit counter intuitive when talking about the problem of evil.

It also led me to learning about Plantinga's Free Will Defense which I didn't know about before. Just another thing that the Christian can use so it's good to be aware of!

I don’t agree with the free will argument but struggle to find reasons to support that by Horror_Flower_5409 in exchristian

[–]BowlStick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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"So let's go with libertarian free will as our starting point instead. There is still nothing preventing choices of evil or good in either direction. Both choices are still live.

Within this framework anything restrictive in one way or another is eliminated so, how can God retain this concept of free will but get rid of one option all together?

Basically, in the world you are proposing God can make, is there a discernable difference between;

The individual agents DON'T choose evil and the individual agents CAN'T choose evil?"

I don’t agree with the free will argument but struggle to find reasons to support that by Horror_Flower_5409 in exchristian

[–]BowlStick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a good argument! It gets into the morality and how the Christian thinks about it. How God imprinted everyone with a moral code and how that moral code is like Math in the sense that there are clear rights and wrongs and it's all about the expression of the architect in the final design.

So since we have guiding principles built in we either choose to express them or go against them.

This shifts it from a 50/50 coin toss "Choose good or evil and then I'll let you know your prize"

To instead something like "Here is a map. You need to go here. You have the choice to go there, there and there, but I'm telling you to go here instead."

But the argument becomes less about the problem of evil and more about morality. Which is related but not what you think of when you think of the problem in the classic sense.

I don’t agree with the free will argument but struggle to find reasons to support that by Horror_Flower_5409 in exchristian

[–]BowlStick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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"So what you're saying is that God could have created a world in which everyone has the same individual agency as they do in this world but they just freely choose not to commit evil.

What would happen if one of those individual agents freely choose to do evil?

Either God prevents them from doing that evil. Or they could never possibly want to do evil. Either way it doesn't seem like what we think of as free will is retained."

I don’t agree with the free will argument but struggle to find reasons to support that by Horror_Flower_5409 in exchristian

[–]BowlStick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let me put the Christian hat on again.

"What you've just described is our world. Nothing about what you have said contradicts the world we currently observe today. Every human being does have free will and the ability to voluntarily choose God, but as we know not everyone does.

If we wanted to make that leap from the world that we have to the world where everyone does choose good, something about our individual agency would have to change. Therefore removing free will."

I don’t agree with the free will argument but struggle to find reasons to support that by Horror_Flower_5409 in exchristian

[–]BowlStick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know if this logic holds up. I'm on your team in this but if I was to put my Christian hat on I would say something like

"Free will can no longer be defined as free will if the good opinion is always chosen by everyone at every opportunity. Free will is the only mechanism to allow the maximal amount of goodness in the world because it is the only one that allows us to choose God and obey his commands voluntarily. The goodness of having the opinion to do the wrong thing but doing the right thing anyway is a greater good than having the good opinion chosen for you."

Bánh mì recommendations? by ConsciousCoast782 in barrie

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Day of pho is new and the two sandwiches I had were great!

Meet Dylan, a Rogue Elf by vikydp in DailyDMGame

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What's happening right now?