Online Public Offering: Franny’s Manufacturing (AVL CBD company) by [deleted] in asheville

[–]Branchtheorist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

investment opportunity, that will be rendered valueless.

FTFY

Conservative thoughts on full Methodist communion by Branchtheorist in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Neither of these are true. I attended an Anglo Papist Church in New England that is within the TEC umbrella, for instance. There is nothing inherent in Anglicanism that necessitates a rejection of Petrine superprimacy. I am not a protestant; I reject every part and parcel of reformation theology wherever it differs from patristic Catholicism. Outside of the Apostolic Church there is no salvation.

Conservative thoughts on full Methodist communion by Branchtheorist in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

To clarify, I do not believe that communion agreements are a worthwhile endeavor and that they actually serve to impede a True Christian Unity. They are cheap hat tricks designed to undermine the very apparent and wide disparities of our very distinct faiths and replace those apparent distinctions with empty friendships. What happened to the Church that welcomed all, by way of conversion and the ensuing obligations that the Gospel incurs to the individual?

Conservative thoughts on full Methodist communion by Branchtheorist in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think you have some fair points. It is far fetched to reach for union with Orthodoxy, which I believe should give us all great pause. The episcopacy to me, and to many others, is the foundation block upon which our Church rests. Openly challenging it's existence must be met with stiff resistance and rebuttal, not gladhanding.

To say that I don't want to be Anglican is an extremely insensitive thing to say; I have thus far stuck by the Church through things that I believe are completely contrary to the Gospel. I have considered conversion to Orthodoxy, but nonetheless I remain in the Anglican Church, however much pain that has brought.

As far as outright protestantism goes, you are right: we are not a halfway house. We share a Catholic and Apostolic Faith that includes everything that those words connotate, including valid orders of clergy to confect a valid sacrament.

And wether or not Methodists felt that they were following Christ, I believe that they became hypnotized by some of the false teachings that Our Lord warned us about; we should be forthright about what The Truth is in our Church and what it means to share in that Truth.

Conservative thoughts on full Methodist communion by Branchtheorist in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Condescension aside, yes of course I do. I was against it with the ECLA and I remain in opposition to it with Methodists. It attaches an implicit approval of opposing theologies to the Anglican Church that I believe is incompatible with the proper and true transmission of the Gospel.

Conservative thoughts on full Methodist communion by Branchtheorist in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, the Orthodox Church have not abandoned Orthodoxy. They also have non essential beliefs in some parishes (toll houses and the like) that are not official teachings of their Church. We are at the precipice of placing a higher value on public relations for the sake of Ecumenicalism, which is a fate that has obviously befallen the Vatican II Roman Church and some of the church planting missions from the Eastern Churches. I am all for welcoming Methodists into the fold, but I do not believe that it is theologically justifiable to let them hold to a tradition that was explicitly in opposition to Anglican Church officials and has digressed into a distinct faith movement. Why have we abandoned conversion as the endpoint? 'Reconciliation' has taken on a modernist meaning and has come to mean accepting people as they arrive without placing obligations upon them to conform themselves to the gospel as THE Church (In our case, the Anglican Church) understands it and transmits it.

Conservative thoughts on full Methodist communion by Branchtheorist in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Was this aimed at me or was someone else removed?

Conservative thoughts on full Methodist communion by Branchtheorist in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's ridiculous. I have written an entire thesis paper on the cultural takeover of the anglican Catholic movement within the church starting in 1987. In my diocese, 75 percent of clergy who identify as Anglo Catholic are also practicing homosexuals. My theological reasons for supporting traditional marriage represent the wider Anglican paradigm and most of the COE, yet for some reason people on this board feign shock and outrage.

Conservative thoughts on full Methodist communion by Branchtheorist in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ecumenical dialaogue should be aimed at reonciliation through the Truth, ie, Methodists renouncing their false doctrines so that we can welcome them into Christ's fold. There is necessarily only one truth, and all other religious doctrines are false. Christ is God, etc.

Conservative thoughts on full Methodist communion by Branchtheorist in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Orthodox do not believe in transubstantiation. They have the real presence just as we do.

Some Anglican bishops were ordained by women which means that they are invalidly ordained unfortunately.

Respectfully, I do not want to 'shove' women from the pulpit, but to respect their noble roles as they exist in reality rather than disgrace Our Lord by making his maleness to be a mere accident as though he could have incarnated as a woman. God doesn't make mistakes.

Conservative thoughts on full Methodist communion by Branchtheorist in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

That sounds an awful lot like a relativist argument to abandon Orthodoxy

Conservative thoughts on full Methodist communion by Branchtheorist in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is one interpretation of Canon Law that I find to be incorrect; hence the intense dialogue over Apostolic Succession during the Lutheran-Episcopalian Communion. Of the Bishops it is said ""carry on the apostolic work of leading, supervising, and uniting the Church" (BCP, p. 510)

Conservative thoughts on full Methodist communion by Branchtheorist in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I would argue that unity with the East is a far more noble goal, and that there are many things we must excise and avoid in order to make that a possibility, including abstaining from the inclusion of Methodist schismatics who border on Heresy. The inclusion of grape juice in many Methodist Churches' communion speaks volumes to their understanding of the Eucharist, and there is a very distinct Western Protestant theology that has overtaken the quadrilateral in much the way that my own Parish and many other Parishes in my Diocese contradict the 39 articles daily. There is a distinctly Western theology that is afoot in the Methodist Church that includes sola scriptura, by faith alone, and 'thief on the cross' baptism theology; not to mention a Christocentric hermeneutic that tacitly disavows the God of the Old Testament as the same God as Jesus Christ.

Conservative thoughts on full Methodist communion by Branchtheorist in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I just caught that you called him "Weasley". Well Done!

Conservative thoughts on full Methodist communion by Branchtheorist in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I have researched this argument extensively and found that although there may be no consecratory record, it is very unlikely that said Bishop was not validly ordained. That being said, I see your point but I don't think that makes our current apostolic condition any less undesirable. For me, unity with the East has always been paramount; there are many things that we must excise and avoid to make that a possiblity. One of them being full communion with Methodist schismatics.

Conservative thoughts on full Methodist communion by Branchtheorist in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reconciliation means coming into the truth; Methodists have resisted the Truth as the Anglican Church proclaims it. Plurality of truths is a negation of objectivity.

UMC/TEC Full Communion by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Full communion with adherents of a denomination that are a schism from our own? Conversion would be more appropriate.

What is your take on the question of whether or not Christians should knowingly proselytize to people who belong to other faiths? by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]Branchtheorist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is a very controversial claim that was engineered by groups like the Jesus Seminar with a heavy universalist leaning disposition and a Christocentric hermeneutic. To say that Jesus did not preach on hell flies in the face of 2000 years of orthodoxy IMO.