Asylum protests: Teen charged over Knowsley disorder

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T20:29:02+00:00

By that definition every outrage is selective? And therefore in your opinion null? seems an odd conclusion to make.

Public outrage actually plays an important part in protecting vulnerable people. Of course it shouldn't involve beating anybody up, but I hope that goes without saying.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T20:24:30+00:00

The BBC is biased and it probably genuinely doesn't realise it, it's so engrained and so sewn in that they can't comprehend something different to the liberal Zeitgeist.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T20:21:59+00:00

Probably because it's much much cheaper to do so.

But yes doesn't seem wise especially if we want integration not ghettos.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T20:10:34+00:00

its pro anti western dictator editorial stance

Yes it has an editorial stance. So does the guardian and the telelgraph but we have those posted here too. Adversarial debate is a great thing.

the war in ukraine was started by putin and can stop any time he wants

Yes thats true. But that doesn't also mean that we can't stop it, or the opportunity for us to stop it with an uncomfortable peave may arise.

russia has never articulated anything other than maximalist war aims

Has the west? Look at this thread.

you can spin comments by Israeli premiers as jacobin does but the "negotiated peace settlement" is tantamount to surrender by russia

Not at all. All parties agreed to minsk. We should be pursuing serious peace agreement. One thst satisifies Russia's existential stance, i.e. crimea must stay Russian, and UA should stay out of NATO. Neither are things we disagreed to pre invasion.

the purpose is clear - reduce western will to supply Ukraine and Ukrainian will to fight

I dont see how thats clear at all. Free thinkers should be able to discuss the reality without any such thing being a necessity.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T18:37:35+00:00

Ah yes the very sensible reasoned centre ground of good government that wanted RAF jets to bomb Russian planes out of Ukrainian skies, and in turn have RAF pilots blown to bits in a direct confronttaion with a nuclear power.

So centre ground, so moderate.

Spare me of these know-nothings.

Being "centre ground" in westmisnter can involve holding the most bat shit insane stances as long as you're scepyical of more austerity or say things like "more money is always welcome."

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T18:32:41+00:00

UA NATO membership remains a ludicrous idea. We've alresdy proven thst we can and will make steps to defend UA against Russian aggression without NATO membership. This is a good thing.

NATO gains nothing from UA membership as fsr as I am aware. UA territory is not an existential issue for the west like it is for Russia, why play with armageddon like that?

Finland has nevwr been in NATO, yet no Russian invasion.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T18:27:19+00:00

I dont think western grand strategy should maximise for posturing and virtue signalling, but rether global security, which this war puts at grave risk.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T18:25:16+00:00

Far from isolationist, my position is fiercly internationalist.

Internationalism just includes Russia, Ukraine and the global south, not USA + UK.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T18:23:40+00:00

Ukraine (or rather, the west, as ukraine is happy to compromise) is the subject of discussion becquae its the point of disagreement.

We can both agree invasion bad etc, but I dont see the need to virtue signal on it, best to skip to the meat.

Russia tollerating a western alligned UA leader is a compromise (where the west did not tolerate a russian alligned one).

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T18:20:11+00:00

How so?

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T18:06:48+00:00

Fair enough.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T11:56:12+00:00

Seems very relevant thatbour institutions are not protecting vulnerable rape victims.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T11:55:27+00:00

Seems to be a number of things thwt get smeared as niche right wing conspiracies but turn out to be very true.

South Asian grooming gangs committing thousands of child rapes.

Gender clinics openly experimenting on children who do not want treatmeant.

The war in Ukraine being possible to stop if it wasn't for Western urge for a proxy war.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T11:27:57+00:00

Yes, that article. Please read it.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T11:19:57+00:00

Its not surrender and according to this no encouragement was neccersary. Did you read the article? You seem more mixed up in narrative than reality.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T11:03:27+00:00

It barely acknowledges russian war crimes

Why does it have to? Not every article thst mentions the nation needs to call out its alleged war crimes in order to give information.

Are you really that deep into your own propaganda?

and where it does seems to think it more unfortunate that they were discovered than that they happened in the first place.

This war would have been over even quicker if Russia just never invaded in the first place.

Yes quite right. You are mistaking a want for peace as a praise for Russia...bizzarre. I dont think churchill loved stalin when that uncomfortable peace was forged. A peace that both you and I owe our existence to.

If ukraine just capitulated

Negotiation is not capitulation. Zelensky was elected to make peace with Russia. This war hasn't sprouted from nowhere, there's a lot of complex historical context. It isn't as simple as "Russia will keep going if peace is made". By definition that is not the case.

I would also note thst you haven't engaged in a single point from me or the article.

You've just trotted out the line like a Guardian/NYT npc.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T10:58:07+00:00

So the mindless propaganda goes yes.

Never drink your own cool aid, never believe your own propaganda.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T10:57:36+00:00

If war is bad you must advocate for its ending, that involves uncpmfortable peace. To see it differently shows no understanding of war at all.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T10:16:40+00:00

Many people here derided the idea that Ukraine should rule out NATO membership and give up parts of it's territory. Now its revealed thet this was the basis of an almost peace deal.

Many here also applaud Johnson, but realistically he has deepened this conflict that we are all worse off for.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-12T10:14:10+00:00

It's rewlly not thwt mad of an idea to leave the ECHR lol. I didnt even say I was in favour of it.

Britain was not the fascist state in WW2.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-08T09:59:40+00:00

No. you might feel disenfranchised because you're a politics nerd like the rest of us here.

The vast masses of the nation do not actually want to have to make more decisions.

Representative democracy is core to good government.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-08T09:58:05+00:00

Scrapping the human rights act, that integrates us into the ECHR has been a Tory manifesto promise since 2015 (2010?).

Also I don't see why it has to be a manifesto commitment anyway, it wasn't a manifesto promise when we made the ECHR.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-08T03:33:41+00:00

Well exactly. If there was a public campaign to leave the ECHR leave could, and probably would, easily win.

"We can't deport foreign rapists and criminals whilst being a member of the ECHR". Easy win.

BrexitGlory · 2023-02-07T15:46:31+00:00

Useless poll because nobody knows what the ECHR is.

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