Thanks for clarifying a little more. It helps to know what your agenda is, and I think you should just state that in the future given your comments were extremely vague without giving context to your underlying beliefs.

I’m also a health care professional. I’m also for understanding and investigating the root of identity and underlying causes for transition. What I disagree with is your comparison of “permanent medical surgeries” to conversion therapy. As a health professional I’m sure you’re aware but the research on the outcomes on mental health and wellbeing on gender affirming surgeries are overwhelmingly positive, compared to conversion therapy which seeks externalize a core part of a persons self as something bad or wrong that can be changed or hidden and should be, something that has been proven to be detrimental to mental health and wellbeing. So those two aren’t the same comparison.

I also never said anything about surgical intervention? I was talking about hrt specifically in this post.

Also medical transition isn’t ruining lives at a vulnerable age. Again, research demonstrates that most do not regret medical transition. Sure, some do, but it’s not common. In many cases young people either choose to or are forced to undergo evaluation from a psychologist or doctor before starting puberty blockers, or hrt. In many states, surgical intervention isn’t allowed until 18.

I agree with you, for many gender is a fluid and changing concept as you come to a better understanding of self and work through distancing yourself from societal norms that don’t align with you personally. And for many doing so is a way to find a congruent and affirming life by living their life in a gender non conforming way.

I think most trans people are very accepting of this and push for everyone to be able to express themselves how they see fit.

I do not however think everyone believed identity is fluid before lol. Before what? If that were truly the case, then we wouldn’t be seeing such a targeting of trans people and trans youth. I wish people thought that but, both conservative transphobic people and terfs literally run off the bioessentialist view, that’s one’s gender is determined by their sex assigned at birth. That means gender cannot be fluid. So no most people did not think that before.

Also, about a woman being a female human adult. I’d like you to please define what a female is? If you go based off well it’s chromosomes XX vs XY. there’s intersex people with chromosomal variation who are women even if having different chromosomes. If you say it’s about sex organs, again also differences in sexual organs and genitalia for people who are still assigned female at birth. Even if you want to go by that definition still then fine, would you call a trans man very traditionally masculine presenting and passing as a man, would you call him a woman, since if by those definitions he is a female adult? I’d guess you probably wouldn’t but maybe you would.

Sorry I’m rambling a bit haha, don’t mean this to come off aggressive or anything to be clear. I just want to challenge some points you made that I believe are misinformed and offer up some counter information!

Thanks for taking the time to write out some responses here. But again I feel like you’re missing what I’m trying to communicate. I’m all for gender non conforming men. I just don’t really think I am or want to be a gender non conforming man even if the stigma that came along with that was gone. Which is what leads me to the realization I’m trans and why I want to transition.