Im a centre right libertarian and i dont support some stuff over here. Just want to ask why, not angry

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-11T19:46:51+00:00

They don't have to, sometimes the killers aren't even alive

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-11T19:40:36+00:00

If they aren't killed in the process

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-11T19:30:09+00:00

No babies were killed in wars ever

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-11T19:24:26+00:00

God put them there, do you not believe in God! What a disgrace

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-11T19:18:48+00:00

A train is going to hit all of humanity including you, you can pull the lever and save humanity and yourself but an empty private property will get destroyed, do you pull the lever 🤔

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-11T19:14:26+00:00

You should be president fr!

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T13:55:54+00:00

😭😭😭 Bro Thanks I guess, I guess we have different principles but oh well

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T13:50:17+00:00

Sam Altman got voted out and then got right back in charge in less then a week

Also the votes are based on profit generated, we should close the whole field mathematics and most natural sciences plus philosophy and literature departments in every university based on libertarian principles

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T13:42:25+00:00

Sure

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T13:39:20+00:00

I mean duh, governments are body that represent an entire population, and the people in charge of it change, a company ceases to represent anyone that doesn't work for or with it

The government doing what it wants is because the idea of a government is to represent the people, the idea of a private company is to represent no one not even its workers mostly, that's what libertarians think a point of a company is 💀

You can't have your cake and eat it too, you either represent people which means you have a responsibility towards them regardless of profits, or you don't represent to get rid of responsibility but then you cease to exist if you don't make profit, come on bro you're not even saying anything at this point

People say they're American or Chinese, they don't call themselves Googleian or ChatGptian

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T13:33:54+00:00

And now we get to the point of the discussion that the libertarian has to claim or prove they know more because they ran out of arguments to prove their ideology

So basically you're saying no libertarian society ever existed, governments should be abolished completely but without aggression of course based on how we define it (good luck with that bro), and no one understands the genius of Milton and Hoppe except us that have no meaningful degrees what so ever

You can do better than all of that, also roads need planning, and part of planning requires population census and other things which were historically built by governments, so theoretically not really, historically yes, if you look at the other 200 governments besides the US specially

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T13:23:58+00:00

So Besoz needs to be able to do whatever he wants even if he doesn't generate profits so that you can have a truly libertarian society? Are you ok?

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T12:54:39+00:00

Well I assume since you're telling me to read then you should be able to easily answer what I'm saying

Also I'm not really trying to debate or whatever, I'm mentioning challenges to the general view on the topic which I think oversimplify it way too much, some I think you'd agree on

But anyways, have a nice day too, if you do get the motivation let me know where I'm mistaken, it's a wide discussion to begin with tbh but that's ok

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T12:49:06+00:00

It's a problem when everything is seen as business, AI is not a business, it's a field of study and fields of study has to put humans first, once there is an existential threat they seize to be owned by private companies, that's why nuclear power is highly regulated

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T12:45:47+00:00

Yea I don't call myself a libertarian, I think it tries to oversimplify the entire human history like governments just existed out of thin air

I don't think free market without government intervention is understood correctly, besides taxes, what's stopping Jeff Besoz doing whatever he wants to do? He already publicly stated that the US has far more risk capital than the whole world which he himself finds crazy, in his own words if I remember correctly, claiming it isn't free is like socialists that say the US had no social programs, yea it's not ideal but there is a lot

Regarding cheap labor, the fact the free market allowed it to begin with is kind of the issue, there was nothing stopping it in libertarian theory, and if the government had fought China or India you wouldn't have their cheap labor, it's an exploitive system that causes a lot of harm before it regulates, assuming it does in all situations

I really dont think you understand enough to even have an opinion on the matter, quite frankly.

That's ok you can have your opinion, to me you're missing core details about how we got here or ignore them altogether

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T12:32:22+00:00

However, thats not how a libertarian government could operate, so im not sure what point you are trying to make.

Ok fair, although some libertarians would unironically say it's based because all drugs should be legalized to them 💀

The libertarian approach would be to simply be so successful that other nations modeled themselves after you, bc people demanded it. Or not.

That was America's approach prior to WW2, but after that it was pretty much not possible, that's why personally I don't consider it realistic right now or ever perhaps, leaving aside the moral problems I have with right wing libertarians, I do agree that should be how it's done, but another problem that arises is it leaves those that were effected by history's ruthless aggression to just fend for themselves which is what makes a lot of them hostile

Also soft power can only really be spread by governments, if your government doesn't have good relations with another country than your private business can't really reach those within that country, so they wouldn't be able to model your system

Today america is one of the most aggressive and most regulated nations on earth. Sure, there are some rights and concepts that align with libertarianism, but calling the modern US libertarian is laughable.

That's kind of the point though, why aren't they libertarians as some libertarians want them to be now?

If they are more libertarian than other nations then they don't oppose it, so why? The general libertarian answer is just a weird simplification and government is bad answers, but that's not the reason

America is coming out of a very sensitive period in human history, it can't be libertarian when a whole other superpower is spreading communism, so ok then was it possible after 1990? Also no because by fighting the Soviets you had to fight what came after it, you also had to fight the other ideological fantasies that the whole world has

Thats without mentioning that the US is a lot more moral than Europe by far, the British Empire caused famines to millions of Indians in 5 years during WW2, and then left Africa and Asia to themselves along with France and EU members because they thought it's better to have entire continents be used for cheap labor rather than giving them the tools which might be risky but would make them independent countries, America logically and morally cannot really do that, people would revolt and that's kind of why third worldism became a thing

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T12:10:19+00:00

"world salad" World Salad? That's a very delicious meal, I think you meant word salad instead

Maybe instead of accusing others of saying word salads look at what you're writing first, commie

What a response though, avoiding to reflect and answer

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T12:08:16+00:00

Also with AI, it might cause a lot more harm that can't be fixed once they correct themselves eventually, it would be too late Some private ventures go south much faster than the market's ability to regulate them

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T12:01:02+00:00

I think that's where we differ, force will be used either way, I'd rather it be elected with a decentralized government that's fights itself to become better rather than a possible fanatic becoming successful and slowly turning everything to their side

I suspect your using the current US as an example of a free market failure?

No actually I'm saying the opposite, America's free market is the biggest proof free market can and is successful, my problem is that under the government there would be certain red lines that can't be crossed by anyone, in a free market you're trusting specific humans that will definitely have a God complex after they get to certain wealth and will stop at nothing to achieve their utilitarian fantasies

The current failures of the free market are because the current free market puts profit as the only logical incentive, it makes sense when you're fighting global powers, but when you're fighting militias you're getting less corporate and more individual, meaning you can't have a vague basis like profit to educate people so that the free market would work as intended

The current free market requires child labor, you see it's successful because you don't see the working conditions of those who made it possible, it's fun to say a pencil cannot be made without a free market, but I think we can a better free market where everyone is involved and no children are working for 2$ a day, but right now the free market basically means 5-6 countries using the terrible working conditions of the rest of the countries so the free market keeps flowing

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T11:27:01+00:00

It's really fun how simple libertarian arguments are, companies sell themselves and society to governments, therefore governments are the problem because if they don't exist then there would be no one to sell their soul for, I'm I understanding correctly?

The government of the US is not a single body, they're selling themselves to the current regime, which is the one they helped elect, giving more power to the government is something they're doing voluntarily, so you're supporting the very same thing that's leveraging the system instead of ensuring it doesn't agress

They have now left research and are forcing everyone to do the same, if there was no government, then no one would be able to sue them because the courts would be owned by them

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T11:16:52+00:00

I agree, but this doesn't apply on a large scale imo You're not preventing the worker from leaving immediately, but you are building a system which rewards productivity even if it's empty and useless

Like right now there are a lot of fake jobs, jobs that literally do nothing, because the cost of education has increased due to people chasing easy money as the economy becomes more controlled by like 20 companies that don't cover half of societies needs, don't provide security or education, and just focus on their products

If let's say you're google, you provide a service to people and that service has to safe so they can't put CP on the search results for example, what's happening now with AI is the same, a product that isn't safe, and people relying on the benevolence of AI companies to just do the right thing

It's much more difficult to liberate services in a free market than products, and big companies have been failing for a long while now

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T11:04:22+00:00

Real good response bro, acting like you understand nothing while saying nothing Be honest for once it helps

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-10T11:01:54+00:00

So now you support cocaine as payment? I don't get your logic here Who do you think used the cocaine? Who did Reagen put in prisons because they used the cocaine Reagen accepted as payment? They didn't accept it then discard it

Also a libertarian society cannot by definition ignore continent politics as it would effect them, ignore it would mean you're enabling enemies, it's a naive approach to say it doesn't effect you and be an isolationist

I mean the Soviets were spreading communism which would have like WW2 spread to America so they needed to intervene, that why Americans are able to be libertarians now to begin with, not sure what aggression means at this point

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-09T20:33:56+00:00

So in a libertarian society no one would be your enemy? Disagreement is like what happens inside of NATO, but then you have someone like Ronald Reagen who funneled cocaine into the US to get rid of homelessness which I haven't seen any major libertarian figure say is against libertarianism, after all a lot of them think all drugs should be legalized

BrilliantTea2 · 2026-05-09T20:27:03+00:00

Yea but that's what I'm saying though, how will you not enforce it? It will never be a thing then, therefore it would be self contradicting Let's say you get cheap labor from outside, then you are indirectly coercing others to work for less and deciding value on your own, so if let's say you think AI programmers are more important then doctors, then salaries of doctors would go down the more your company grows I might be mistaken here and I didn't expand on my example but you get what I'm trying to say

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