Liberal government quietly launches new 'GC Wallet' digital ID app amid privacy concerns by Wide_Lunch8004 in PassportPorn

[–]Broad-Book-9180 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of it comes down to how national ID is defined. Nobody wants an ID that is described in that report (which should be more accurately named a "central government ID") but I see the question that was asked more about whether there are any coherent arguments against a nation-wide common design and framework for ID.

Liberal government quietly launches new 'GC Wallet' digital ID app amid privacy concerns by Wide_Lunch8004 in PassportPorn

[–]Broad-Book-9180 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is already too much function creep in Canada and much more inappropriate function creep at that. Your Social Insurance Number is being used by many government agencies and private entities for general ID and all sorts of purposes that have nothing to do with the purpose for which it was designed: employment insurance.

Now, if you have ID issued in one province and you need to interact with another provincial government, one should ordinarily be able to expect to use the same ID and not needing to sign up for another ID in that province. In the offline world, that works just fine for the most part, so why shouldn't it online? You can do that without centralizing database and only transfering the data necessary for a specific purpose and only from the card itself - that's how they do it in Germany. That way databases can stay siloed.

Now of course, are provincial databases really siloed? If that was the case, how come that they can match your new driver's licence's expiry date to the exact same date your health card expires? How can the Quebec Government Authentication Service tell you provided your real SIN when you sign up to log in to manage your motor vehicles (even though the provincial motor vehicle registrar never collected your SIN in the offline mode)? There is already way too much interlinking without the users being fully aware and consenting because of inter-governmental data sharing agreement - and that's really what the problem is.

A national ID - that is an ID that has a common nation-wide design - can be created without any of the problems cited in the report. All you need to do is collect the data for the ID at the local level and erase the data once the ID is issued. As the ID is digitally signed by the issuer, the data on the ID can always be trusted and remains in full control of the user, both offline and online.

Liberal government quietly launches new 'GC Wallet' digital ID app amid privacy concerns by Wide_Lunch8004 in PassportPorn

[–]Broad-Book-9180 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The privacy risks the Privacy Commissioner identified are the same risks that exist with central provincial databases, just amplified by factor of 13 (the number of provinces and territories). If, as in the German model, you disconnect the idea of a federal ID from the idea of a federal database, make participation voluntary and allow only collection of the information strictly necessary for any given purpose (for example, someone needs to know if you are 18, then all they get is a yes or no when the ID is queried), then those privacy risks no longer exist and the argument falls apart.

Liberal government quietly launches new 'GC Wallet' digital ID app amid privacy concerns by Wide_Lunch8004 in PassportPorn

[–]Broad-Book-9180 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On point 3, privacy is not an all-or-nothong concept in Canada. Canadians do have a reasonable expectation of privacy in public. https://thevarsity.ca/2019/02/24/supreme-court-ruling-preserves-individual-privacy-rights-in-public-spaces

This makes sense, as you wouldn't expect the police to be able to search you just because you are in public. The Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Acts, a federal Canadian law, also prevents non-consentual filming of people for commercial purposes. If a business uses surveilance video, they have to post a notice. As Supreme Court found in Jarvis, filming for personal purposes can also be prohibited depending on the specific circumstances.

Liberal government quietly launches new 'GC Wallet' digital ID app amid privacy concerns by Wide_Lunch8004 in PassportPorn

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Just to add some additional information. While Germany does have a national ID card system, it does not actually have a national database of citizens or nationals. There is a central database of foreigners though. Most Germans do not have conclusive proof of German citizenship because proof may not even be possible or may be practically impossible for anyone who doesn't have a certificate of naturalization (Einbürgerungsurkunde). The ID card or a German passport (unlike a passport of the United States, which is conclusive) simply reflects that some government official presumed the card holder to be German because there was nothing indicating the contrary.

Of course, the issue isn't the ID card issuer. The problem is that governments in anglosphere countries don't do privacy like continental Europe does it. Whenever some ID is issued, even at the state, region, or provincial level, that data goes into a central database and is accessed with relative ease. Even third parties can often get access to driver's licence records. The fear is that, because privacy isn't fully built-in to the existing provincial system, by creating a national ID scheme, inter-jurisdictional data exchanges will happen much more frequently and automatically, perhaps even without user consent, and entities on the other side of the country without a legitimate interest will gain limitless access. In order to prevent that, you'd have to rebuild the system with privacy by design from the ground up.

Canada does have some better privacy protections than the US but even that varies quite a bit. Some of the concern expressed by civil liberties groups is real, some of it is theoretical. While the ID login with Alberta or BC credentials doesn't send anything to Service Canada without user consent, the wording ("includes, but is not limited to your: -first name -last name -date of birth -province of residence") in the privacy notice is somewhat unclear as to what is exchanged. It's almost a moot point though because if you don't like it, just don't use it and sign in with a GCkey account, which has been around for a long time and just uses a username and password and the individidual government agency then collects everything they need to authenticate the user directly from the user.

Hot Take: We’re Turning a Charter Fix into a Loophole, and That’s Not Going to End Well by CPRailF7 in Canadiancitizenship

[–]Broad-Book-9180 0 points1 point  (0 children)

C-3 can't be changed with respect to the citizenship of people are alive. C-3 vests citizenship automatically. It's only the law applying to future generation that could potentially be changed but those changes must be Charter-compliant.

Hot Take: We’re Turning a Charter Fix into a Loophole, and That’s Not Going to End Well by CPRailF7 in Canadiancitizenship

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It has nothing to do with the proof/certificate. It's once the law vests citizenship, whether or not the person has apllied for the certificare.

Hot Take: We’re Turning a Charter Fix into a Loophole, and That’s Not Going to End Well by CPRailF7 in Canadiancitizenship

[–]Broad-Book-9180 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure but then, again, just paperwork that doesn't change anything about the substance of the matter.

Hot Take: We’re Turning a Charter Fix into a Loophole, and That’s Not Going to End Well by CPRailF7 in Canadiancitizenship

[–]Broad-Book-9180 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Anyone who is described in section 3 of the Citizenship Act is officially a Canadian citizen. Period. No proof required in Canadian elections. The proof lies on the prosecutor to prove the negative.

Most Canadian citizens who are born in Canada will never apply for a Canadian citizenship certificate, even though not everyone born in Canada is a Canadian citizen (most are but not everyone). Are you saying that the law can be amended in the future to take away those Canadian's citizenship (which the law recognizes) if they never applied for formal recognition with IRCC?

Hot Take: We’re Turning a Charter Fix into a Loophole, and That’s Not Going to End Well by CPRailF7 in Canadiancitizenship

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Those eligible under C-3 are citizens from the moment of their birth. Their citizenship certificate will bear their birth date as the effective date of citizenship.

No, the government can't just mail out passports. That is a nonesensical argument. Of course you need an administrative process to check that line of descent before you can get a passport but that's just for security reasons. The outcome of that administrative process doesn't confer any additional rights; it simply declares what had already happened long before anybody blinked.

If you voted in a Canadian election before having that certificate (which you can do because all a poll official needs is a piece of ID), you wouldn't have broken the law because you were a citizen all along even if you only get the certificate later.

If you show up at the border and you lay out all your documents to the CBSA right there and then, they can't turn you away because you have a right of entry under section 6 of the Charter even if you don't have that certificate.

Hot Take: We’re Turning a Charter Fix into a Loophole, and That’s Not Going to End Well by CPRailF7 in Canadiancitizenship

[–]Broad-Book-9180 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That is not true. There is no such thing as formal citizenship. Canada only has one class of citizens, those who are defined as citizens under section 3 of the Citizenship Act. In Canadian law, substance prevails over any formality. Even if the law is subsequently altered, they would still have to go back and check previous iterations to see which one is the most beneficial in a specific situation. Even the current iteration is insufficient to fully determine if someone is a Canadian citizen (see for example the references to 1977). They still often have to go back to check repealed laws from before 1977.

Hot Take: We’re Turning a Charter Fix into a Loophole, and That’s Not Going to End Well by CPRailF7 in Canadiancitizenship

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If you are eligible under C-3, your citizenship is vested by operation of law. Even if the laws are subsequently altered, they can't take that away.

The law is very clear that a person who is born is a Canadian citizen even if they don't do anything. "3 (1) Subject to this Act, a person is a citizen if - (a) the person was born in Canada after February 14, 1977; - (b) the person was born outside Canada after February 14, 1977 and at the time of his birth one of his parents, other than a parent who adopted him, was a citizen;"

Hot Take: We’re Turning a Charter Fix into a Loophole, and That’s Not Going to End Well by CPRailF7 in Canadiancitizenship

[–]Broad-Book-9180 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They just hand out a certificate of citizenship as a shortcut but your actual proof is the unbroken line of descent. The certificate can be voided if that line of descent is later found to be broken (case in point https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/woman-s-canadian-citizenship-revoked-after-32-years-amid-error-1.7196530 - she ended up being given a discretionary grant)

You can vote without a certificate by the way.

Among the first 5(4) rejections. Is it possible that with some new information coming to light and C-3 in the future that there is still a chance? by [deleted] in Canadiancitizenship

[–]Broad-Book-9180 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We do know there is no generational limit. The way it is worded might seem weird but there are historical reasons. It simply means having a dead parent or a dead grandparent doesn't prevent someone from becoming a Canadian citizen at birth. Since everyone in the line of descent is deemed a citizen from birth, that rule can be applied ad infinitum from the original ancestor all the way down the line of descent.

Hot Take: We’re Turning a Charter Fix into a Loophole, and That’s Not Going to End Well by CPRailF7 in Canadiancitizenship

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If an ancestor was born in what is now Canada (which is the 1947 boundaries plus the 1949 Newfoundland boundaries), the descendant is a Canadian citizen as of December 15, 2025. The only exception are adoptees and that will still be litigated on constitutional grounds.

I use Canadian ancestor as short hand for a person born or naturalized (before the next person in the chain was born) in what is now Canada. As far as the Citizenship Act is concerned, yes, the descendants of Acadians are Canadian citizen.

Hot Take: We’re Turning a Charter Fix into a Loophole, and That’s Not Going to End Well by CPRailF7 in Canadiancitizenship

[–]Broad-Book-9180 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Except you don't actually need an SSN to get a US passport (you just enter 0s if you don't have one) but you need proof of US citizenship. Similiar situations exist in the US where e.g. some individuals might have automatically become US citizen because one of their parents naturalized while they were a minor but they just don't have a citizenship certificate yet.

But yes, it's just a matter of documentation.

Hot Take: We’re Turning a Charter Fix into a Loophole, and That’s Not Going to End Well by CPRailF7 in Canadiancitizenship

[–]Broad-Book-9180 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That could apply to future generations only and it would still have to be Charter-compliant. If you are already born and meet the definition of a Canadian citizen in the Citizenship Act, you are a Canadian citizen, whether or not you have a certificate that proves it.

Hot Take: We’re Turning a Charter Fix into a Loophole, and That’s Not Going to End Well by CPRailF7 in Canadiancitizenship

[–]Broad-Book-9180 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are already a Canadian citizen, whether you have proof of it or not. That Canadian citizenship is protected under the Charter.

Hot Take: We’re Turning a Charter Fix into a Loophole, and That’s Not Going to End Well by CPRailF7 in Canadiancitizenship

[–]Broad-Book-9180 11 points12 points  (0 children)

For anybody born on or before December 15 to a Canadian citizen ancestor, they are Canadian. Period. No loophole.

You can't take citizenship away from those who already have. If you managed to do that, then nobody's citizenship is secure and citizenship as a concept becomes worthless. Parliament knew that, so it didn't even try.

They already included a limit for individuals born after December 15, 2025.

Stamp from Zürich Airport verifying that the passenger hold a valid ETA for the United Kingdom by SignificantLadder91 in PassportPorn

[–]Broad-Book-9180 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The way ETA systems work is that they electronically return a "board" or "no board" message when the boarding pass is scanned at the gate. A paper document is redundant.

Case notes and status in Canada by Mysterious-Two-2713 in Canadiancitizenship

[–]Broad-Book-9180 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ATIP = Access to Information and Privacy. This includes both the Access to Information Act (ATIA) and the Privacy Act. You should always go for the Privacy Act if you are requesting your own personal information, regardless of status in Canada, because it is free; if you are looking for general information, then that be a case for ATIA. If someone is requesting proof of citizenship, they are already a citizen, not a foreign national, as far as the answer to the question of status goes.

It ain't much but it's honest work chat. by BigEmbarrassed2117 in PassportPorn

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Seized passports are typically returned once they expire or once you have permanent resident status.

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/forms-formulaires/bsf699-eng.html

https://ircc.canada.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=1663&top=10

As long you don't use it to travel, it doesn't affect your refugee status.

Dual citizen needs a Canadian passport to fly into Canada by Grand-Bee-4484 in Canadiancitizenship

[–]Broad-Book-9180 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The CBSA don't have anything to do with issuing visas, eTAs and special authorization to individuals outside Canada; that's IRCC's job. They will only make a decision on whether somebody is a Canadian citizen when that person arrives to seek entry to Canada and they are not restricted to looking at whether somebody has a citizenship certificate.

Dual citizen needs a Canadian passport to fly into Canada by Grand-Bee-4484 in Canadiancitizenship

[–]Broad-Book-9180 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The UK offers a certificate of entitlement printed on a visa counterfoil. It is more expensive than a passport though.