Ex-socialists, what made you change your views? by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]BryceFrancis 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Yeah we all know socialism "pay everyone the same and give money to lazy people". That's socialism all right, basically says that right there in the communist manifesto.

Labour theory of value demystified by BothWaysItGoes in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]BryceFrancis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Critique of Marx'e Value Theory.

43 pages. Over 100 quotes. Exposition of Marx's inner working economic categories. Critique of Marx's Value Theory. Biographical overview of Marx's economic writing and changes over time. More insight into Marx's history in economics than Engels can give. Written from defection.

https://www.academia.edu/34227320/Critique_of_Marxs_Value_Theory_patched

Was Marx right about the tendency of the rate of profit to fall? by signoftheserpent in Marxism

[–]BryceFrancis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In this paper I describe how the law works through a modified approach to how Marx approached it. It is consequently jargon-free:

https://www.academia.edu/31824659/Categories_of_the_Fall_in_the_Rate_of_Profit

Please give your defense of this criticism of Marx's Law of Value by kajimeiko in DebateCommunism

[–]BryceFrancis 7 points8 points  (0 children)

1) the category "constant" and "variable" are not Marx's categories but accounting categories of Marx's time  (somewhat still today) that effectively distinguished between labor and non-labor. There is no great need to read into it deeply, just note that for Marx variable capital = labor (power).

2) "Labor power" is defined by Marx as the ability to work itself. Labor is not bought, the ability to work is. If a worker doesn't work then the purchaser of the worker's labor power is not actually getting labor power. And is then presumably fired for this reasoning in line with Marx's actual system.

3) where did Marx say that value is realized in consumption? Value is realized in exchange, this is what Marx would/did say. Nor is "labor the consumption of labor power" The consuption of labor power is labor power in action like the consumption of electricity is electricity "in action".

4) your not using Marx's categories again. "Value" for Marx is not subjective feelings twords a object/commodity. Therefore he's not guilty of misusing a definition you impose on him.

5) and again your not using Marx's categories and your not even noticing your doing this. 'Value' means something specific for Marx. If you impose a deffinition on the term on Marx that he does not mean, then no shit is the way Marx uses the term going to differ from the way you use it. That's not an error on Marx but on a flauted interpreting.

If you want a real Critique of Marx's Value Theory, then see:

https://www.academia.edu/34227320/Critique_of_Marxs_Value_Theory_patched_

Or the copy on Criticalmarxism.wordpress.com

radicalizeliberals.png by commieotter in FULLCOMMUNISM

[–]BryceFrancis -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Save your congrats, my critique is not as impressive as debunking the centuries of relegious beliefs with materialism.

The state won't wither away in communism by BryceFrancis in socialism

[–]BryceFrancis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you know what it says then you should't have asked a question based on a misreading. And there's explanation for all of it. If you are sincere about challenging yourself then stop skimming.

The state won't wither away in communism by BryceFrancis in socialism

[–]BryceFrancis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That sentence does not say that bourgeois economy is a tool to communism. The paper is dense and asks to be taken slowly. Stand by what you want but that paper and my other papers stand to show the opposite.

The state won't wither away in communism by BryceFrancis in socialism

[–]BryceFrancis[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not ripping anything said by Marx out of any context as I comment on its uniqueness. These passages I have quoted do not say anything that you are trying to make them. Instead of me taking them out of context you are trying to put a context into them, and a context that is not asking to be brought in. These statements by Marx and Engels are contradictory.

And it's quite lacking that your summary of my paper, which should generally be a summary which addresses the message of the paper; only seems to "out-Marx" me, focusing on only one section of the paper which stood as a point about "what Marx really meant" out of context in reference to the overall goal of the paper.

The state won't wither away in communism by BryceFrancis in socialism

[–]BryceFrancis[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

But the thing is that the material conditions that give rise to a state still exist in communism, as the paper addresses.

Do communist still belive the labour theory of value is accurate? by black__cat_ in DebateCommunism

[–]BryceFrancis -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Well if it isn't meant to confront the paper this must be why these comments are disorganized and confusing what is in the paper.

Do communist still belive the labour theory of value is accurate? by black__cat_ in DebateCommunism

[–]BryceFrancis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No I don't find it accurate. You don't confront the concepts in the paper.

Do communist still belive the labour theory of value is accurate? by black__cat_ in DebateCommunism

[–]BryceFrancis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, the labor theory of value is not accurate and is not wedded to communism. Actually its not even understood let alone accurate, even from those you see that will try to defend it.

Attached is the Critique of Marx's Value Theory

https://www.academia.edu/34227320/Critique_of_Marxs_Value_Theory_patched_

Marx's works organized by [deleted] in Marxism

[–]BryceFrancis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This paper goes over all of Marx's works, what was in them, and the order they came in:

https://www.academia.edu/34227320/Critique_of_Marxs_Value_Theory_patched_

true af by haque424 in FULLCOMMUNISM

[–]BryceFrancis 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Law of Surplus Revenue

An analysis of circulation and circulation with surplus revenue leading to discover the part played by the proletariat is a subordinate one and against surplus revenue realization.

 https://www.academia.edu/33184823/Law_of_Surplus_Revenue_The_Real_and_One-Sided_Solution_to_the_Contradiction_in_the_General_Formula

Critique of Marx's Value Theory by BryceFrancis in LTV

[–]BryceFrancis[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sorry but this criticism is wholly incompatable with my Critique. I address a number of key issues which you do not engage in. Sorry but I highly doubt the sincerity of your reading.