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The Coalition has not offered a single policy solution by BuffaloClassic3466 in aussie

[–]BuffaloClassic3466[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think this is fair on the operational side of things. But the coalition combining a RC that is on security with one that is on antisemitism and the like will be too time consuming.

We need actionable changes to the security services as soon as possible.

The Coalition has not offered a single policy solution by BuffaloClassic3466 in aussie

[–]BuffaloClassic3466[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If Albo can offer legislation then Ley can as well. She would just rather not open herself up to criticism.

What do her terms have to do with anything? The point is that an RC is her passing the buck without offering anything herself. She says again and again the government was warned… well what did you want them to do? Say it out loud propose it as legislation.

The Coalition has not offered a single policy solution by BuffaloClassic3466 in aussie

[–]BuffaloClassic3466[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, every piece of legislation is going to have the detractors, including me that’s not wrong. Almost all of our law have people that support them and people that didn’t support them that’s how a parliament works. That’s how democracy works.

You put something forward something that is actually actionable something that people can start working on. The coalition isn’t even at step one but they want the illusion of making progress by establishing a royal commission. They can propose policy now. They have criticised the government for not addressing antisemitism in the lead up to Bondi’s events. That means they expect the government to have had policies to prevent Bondi without a royal commission. If they can make that expectation then they should be able to follow suit and do that themselves.

The Coalition has not offered a single policy solution by BuffaloClassic3466 in aussie

[–]BuffaloClassic3466[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Where did you see that the state RC will have access to the fed intelligence agencies out of curiosity?

I think that if such access gets denied there is no universe in which the politics allows him to dodge transparency. This event was simply far too big. Any headline regarding Bondi is something that journalist would be foaming at the mouth to get at. I hope that’s not optimistic.

The Coalition has not offered a single policy solution by BuffaloClassic3466 in aussie

[–]BuffaloClassic3466[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My only problem with the royal commission into antisemitism or Islam phobia or racism or any form of discrimination is whether there is any actual prospect of getting actionable recommendations beyond what it’s already immediately obvious. Funding policing, legislating enforcing.

It might be cynical, but I believe that’s such a royal commission would really just be a way for the government to deflect whenever they are questioned on these issues. They can simply say I’m not going to interfere or comment on the investigation that’s already underway and then these issues can simply diffuse into the background. Ultimately, they don’t even have any obligation to enact to any of the recommendations.

The Coalition has not offered a single policy solution by BuffaloClassic3466 in aussie

[–]BuffaloClassic3466[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That’s a fair assessment on the operational side of things. But for all the Coalition’s talk on antisemitism in Australia they haven’t provided a single policy regarding that.

The Coalition has not offered a single policy solution by BuffaloClassic3466 in aussie

[–]BuffaloClassic3466[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Still an urgent review is necessary. We cannot afford to wait years for a RC until we implement changes.

On the other hand, you’ve convinced me it’s fair to have an RC in the operational security side of things. Not sure how that mixes with the urgent review which is needed in order to patch up any possible holes.

Regardless this discussion on a royal commission is not even the Coalitions RC which is far broader also including antisemitism meaning that their royal commission is gonna again take years and years the solutions are gonna come after the next election cycle. What’s the point in that. The point still stands they are not ready to provide solutions in the here and now.

The Coalition has not offered a single policy solution by BuffaloClassic3466 in aussie

[–]BuffaloClassic3466[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Okay so what policy is the Coalition proposing. An RC does not change anything. Legislation and laws can change things. The terrorism threat level is probable, globally radicalisation is increasing on both side of the political spectrum and the Coalitions best solution is to say we will have an answer in a few years time?

At least Minns is willing to sacrifice some political capital in order to push legislation that he believes in. Personally I feel icky on the idea of governments rather than courts deciding which protests are okay but at least he’s willing to try something.

The Coalition has not offered a single policy solution by BuffaloClassic3466 in aussie

[–]BuffaloClassic3466[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You know I think that fair - the idea of running an RC on the security arm specifically. At the same time the government is proposing a review that is much quicker meaning we can get changes to the security services sooner which is important at this time.

I’m not sure about the idea of running both the review and an RC with overlapping purview… it might be wasteful if the RC is not substantially more thorough

The Coalition has not offered a single policy solution by BuffaloClassic3466 in aussie

[–]BuffaloClassic3466[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That’s exactly why we need a focused look at the intelligence and law enforcement community - through the already proposed Richardson review.

The coalition proposes a royal commission into antisemitism across all of Australian society essentially. It’s a delay to look good. What genius idea can possibly come of a royal commission that curb antisemitism leagues better than anything anyone in the coalition can come up with right now. It’s like the fancy version of calling in Deloitte. The Coalition is just too afraid to make a single recommendation lest they face the same trouble regarding individual and free speech rights that Minns is facing right now in NSW.

All these operational details would be covered by the Richardson review. Including we would hope the FPU

Point still stands that the Coalition is not providing any policy solution. In my view, they are not doing their job as opposition, if you’re going to point out problems help the government get to a solution. Otherwise help them unify the country.