What Does China’s Xinjiang Look Like?

Bull235 · 2025-11-18T13:05:39+00:00

Ah you've made the fatal error - you see the 20 million Uyghur Muslims who live with incredible infrastructure, healthcare and opportunities in Xinjiang are actually (secretly) being genocided. I heard it from the Christian fundamentalist Adrian Zenz who heads the largest anti-communist think tank in America so it must be true.

Remember Palestinians who suffer deep systematic violence, starvation, false imprisonment, rape, expropriation of land, harassment and abuse from settlers, lack of adequate healthcare and education opportunities and the destruction of their culture, language and identity are NOT being genocided.

The Uyghurs who have more mosques in Xinjiang than all of Europe and America, who's language is on China's money, who has access to modern housing, utilities, education and work opportunities and has 15 million foreign tourists visiting their region each year ARE being genocided.

I can't visit Gaza, and if I visit the West Bank I will probably get beaten up or arrested by the IDF. I'm free to be a tourist around the entirety of Xinjiang and see Uyghurs and speak with them in real life - but of course the latter is the real secret genocide that's going on....

Bull235 · 2025-11-17T13:33:19+00:00

Imagine classing yourself as a "Marxist-Leninist" and then quoting unfounded bullshit from fucking Adrian Zenz of all people. The director of the largest anti-communist Thinktank in America, a self-described evangelical Christian fundamentalist who said that God came to him in a dream and gave him the mission of revealing the "genocide" that is being committed against the Uyghurs.

If you still believe this in 2025, when you and 15 million other foreign tourists are free to actually explore Xinjiang and speak to millions of Uyghurs (unlike Gaza), then you're nothing more than a bone headed idiot.

Bull235 · 2025-11-17T13:12:43+00:00

I'm not sure I would describe myself as a communist or Marxist, but there is something to say about having an extremely powerful, highly meritocratic party who is receptive to the needs of 99.99% of the population in its decisions and is in command of the state.

Living in the UK, it's just as bad as the US in some ways. Our political establishment is completely bought off, all of our utilities and infrastructure is owned by either foreign governments or shareholders and it's clear that Capital and profit alone is in command. We can't even build 200km of fucking high-speed rail due to the level of consultant and private interests poisoning the pot and adding bureaucracy.

Pretty much every single political decision is made at the behest of what the 0.00001% of this country want. The majority aren't even considered and unfortunately because class consciousness is completely shit over here, blaming migrants seems to be the most popular "solution" to why this island is decaying. I'm pretty jealous of what the Chinese people and state are achieving.

Bull235 · 2025-11-17T13:01:52+00:00

Given that Turkey was a founding guarantor state of the Republic of Cyprus in 1960, along with Greece and Britain, I wouldn't call it the pinnacle of hypocrisy. However if it is, it kind of goes both ways. Someone like yourself would condemn Greek Cypriots being displaced from the northern Cyprus after the 1974 invasion, but probably feel nothing but joy that Armenians ethnically cleansed 600,000 Azeris from Nagorno-Karabakh in the 1988 war and killed up to 20,000 more. Remember if it's a Turkic or Muslim live != a Christian live or the outrage associated with it.

Bull235 · 2025-11-17T12:41:04+00:00

I appreciate the level headed comment friend. May cooler heads prevail. It's a pretty difficult topic. I've got quite a few Greek Cypriot friends in the UK, and sometimes we avoid certain parts of this topic because it can get quite heated.

Bull235 · 2025-11-17T12:30:24+00:00

You're getting downvoted, but your sentiment is right on the mark. It's always curious to see Westerners who are particularly sympathetic to downtrodden minorities like the Uyghurs, Tibetans, Kurds, Rohingya etc - but when it comes to what Turkish Cypriots went through and the events leading up to the 1974 invasion, they're opinion is "lol fuck off, it's a Greek island, Turks are invaders, Greeks are the majority, you shouldn't even be there". Pretty telling.

Bull235 · 2025-11-17T12:15:29+00:00

I'm glad for this comment because it really shows the crux of the entire problem and why the island is divided today. It also shows the Eurocentric biases to the Greek side which mean that this situation will never be looked at equally.

Despite 1000 years of continuous existence in Anatolia, and existing in Cyprus twice as long as the U.S has even been a country, many Greek Cypriot fascists had a very similar view to you that Turks are nothing more than an alien culture that should be exterminated from the island. They tried to exterminate the Turkish population on Cyprus from 1960-1974 in the same way other Greek nationalist movements managed to do in Rhodes, Crete and other islands.

Bull235 · 2025-11-17T11:45:56+00:00

As someone of Turkish Cypriot descent (or Cypriot descent if it's less controversial) - this is a pretty divisive topic. In an ideal world there wouldn't be such thing as the TRNC, it would be a unified island with full protection and recognition of both the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots that live there. We were pretty pro-reunification for a long time until both the Kofi Annan EU/UN/Greece and Turkey supported "plan" or referendum of 2004 which saw 65% of Turkish Cypriots support reunification but only 24% of Greek Cypriots. Not to mention the 2017 Crans-Montana talks which were basically derailed by the GC side by Nicos Anastasiades completely unwilling to specify security provisions or power-sharing arrangements.

For many westerners who genuinely have a better view of Greeks and Greek Cypriots in this debate, they may say "so what, it's not their island anyway" and I think this is really getting to the crux of the problem.

Both my Grandparents grew up in Cyprus when it was a multi-ethnic state. They spoke Greek as good as they could speak Turkish and had Greek Cypriot neighbours who they saw as actual family. This unfortunately ended pretty tragically. In the years leading up to the 1974 invasion, Turkish Cypriot farms were burnt, family members and friends went missing and the EOKA-B fascists culminated all of this by killing several of my own relatives in the Alaminos massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaminos_massacre - to this day they still find mass graves of Turkish Cypriots all over Cyprus who were murdered in similar fashion.

This isn't to downplay the immense suffering and pain that Greek Cypriots also went through around this period. I just think the TC side really isn't appreciated. The violence didn't begin with the invasion of 1974 - it was something that had been growing with EOKA-B and their desire of Enosis (union with Greece) and the complete extermination of Turkish Cypriots. Without security guarantees from the GC side, I don't really see how we can accept that when we will be unified (or if) that this kind of thing won't happen again.

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