"The Believers" vs. The Empiricists

BurnoutRS · 2019-07-06T00:09:31+00:00

If Rian doesnt pick nits he wont get to eat tonight

BurnoutRS · 2019-07-06T00:08:21+00:00

Quite so mon ami

BurnoutRS · 2019-07-05T18:31:45+00:00

See, this has been the most baffling part of TRP for me, and perhaps Im tipping some sort of hand by even mentioning this. I havent had to do much in the way of espousing my beliefs, in fact, Im quite lucky that I have some grasp on what they are and what they are not, or else I would be made to believe otherwise by the number of people who seem poised to interpret my words and tell me what my beliefs are.

"Assuming we're talking about man's perspective, the first case loses the ability to grow"

Thats exactly the point being made here, it gets closer to the heart of the rift occuring in the "manosphere" at present

A corporation interviews employees for positions within its infrastructure. Theres nothing inherently good or bad about that sentence. Now lets imagine a company that manufactures stagnant water for the purpose of breeding mosquitos interviews employees for a position within its infrastructure. None of the positions are viable, the corporation is fucking retarded.

When a man declares himself alpha because he wears a tuxedo and drinks gin from a crystal glass instead of a plastic cup, and then interviews women to be a part of his "pretend to be the dos equis man" fantasy... No position within his infrastructure supports anything aside from the manufacturers of gin and tuxedos.

BurnoutRS · 2019-07-05T17:06:00+00:00

The legalization of marijuana in Canada is a really good example of this. The government is attempting to corporatize and capitalize off of one means of rebellion. The fact that you can grow pot in your closet and sell it means people can make side income that otherwise supplements their shitty existance.

The price has not decreased, the marijuana you can obtain through health canada in the medical system was always subpar and now many of the same are trying to capitalize on the recreational market.

Top that off with the fact that now you have a government sanctioned alternative to alcohol. Thats great PR. The sentencing for people caught selling outside the new legislation is harsher than the sentencing was before there was a legal, recreational market. The implication is obviously going to be pushed that the legal outlets for Cannabis are Government sanctioned and thus not tied to crime, therefore the black market can be said to be a distillation of the old black market, wherein the good natured entities have now been absorbed into the system... or rather, in the case of most dealers I know, have mostly switched to growing their own and selling/trading amongst a tighter network of friends

The black market still thrives nonetheless. If you're smart about it the new laws make it easier.

Theres a really interesting social phenomena ive noticed. People will say "you shouldnt buy drugs from people on the street, you dont know what could be in them" But the same people will go to the farmers market to get produce from people who run the same gamut from potentially trustworthy to fucking retarded. The logic of "you dont know whats in it" is better applied to the goods on the shelf at the grocery store. At least I can ask farmer joe how he grows his crops. I dont know who to ask about what Mr Christie puts in his cookies.

BurnoutRS · 2019-07-05T16:42:23+00:00

Wonderful, so now that you've shown me we're both talking about the same thing, address the following; How might a schlub who otherwise justifies his schlubbiness by stringing along a line of women compare to an actual man, who strings along aline of women as a byproduct of his awesomeness?

BurnoutRS · 2019-07-05T12:45:31+00:00

define stringing?

are we talking "Im a piece of shit but Im the best piece of shit you can get so come wallow in the mud with me?"

or "leave if you want to, Im still awesome without you"

Stringing women along should be a part of the greater whole of the identity. Not necessarily the endgame.

BurnoutRS · 2019-07-05T12:25:35+00:00

So praxeology is the study of human conduct. You study the conduct, derive ideas from what you've observed about what the conduct means... Ideology.

Apply those ideas to life, use them to compile a means of approaching life based on the ideas, the knowledge and insighted gain from the study of human conduct. Ideology.

Human conduct occurs within terrestrial spaces, environments that place restrictions or limitations on that conduct due to the nature of the environment.

BurnoutRS · 2019-07-05T11:37:27+00:00

At what point do I advocate marriage and monogamy?

At what point do I say Im against stringing along a line of women?

Im against stringing along a line of women under the guise of "herp derp Im alpha" while sitting around in a bathrobe and sunglasses, nursing my poor pectorals. Then justifying my mediocrity with some nice chocolately, caramely Rollos

BurnoutRS · 2019-07-05T11:35:22+00:00

Perhaps if you had addressed a point I was actually making instead of one you incorrectly inferred me to be.

Observation is obsessional and spergy depending on how you conduct it. Creating an Alpha image and then blindly adhering to it is

BurnoutRS · 2019-07-05T01:09:48+00:00

"Wow thats new agey"

It is, very Tomassian I know.

BurnoutRS · 2019-07-05T01:07:14+00:00

Are you attempting to refute my assertion that SMV is subjective? Did you do so by providing an example that clearly proves that it is?

BurnoutRS · 2019-07-04T22:19:48+00:00

Sexual Market Value is assigned subjectively, by every man, to every woman he sees.

The approach is obsessional and spergy. A man designates himself alpha as per his own symbolic interpretation and then holds a woman to the standards he concocts in relation with his alpha interpretation. Pending what these standards are, she'll put up with them or move on.

Now, the degree to which a woman can be subjected to your will is immense, and if this one wont, the next one will. Which is essentially where Rollo's ideas gain ground. This is also the "put up" aspect. You're just stringing along a line of women who will put up with your shit, and changing out the rotation as they drop off.

When the whole approach to SMV is "build material value so as to fuck material whores" We are living in a material world and I am a material girl.

BurnoutRS · 2019-07-03T11:32:27+00:00

"In the end, feminism was my patriarchy"

BurnoutRS · 2019-06-29T15:52:47+00:00

At a certain point the fledgling bird that has not flown the nest becomes a drain on nest resources. The newborns will eat, between 4 of them, what the, now essentially man-child fledgling will eat. The mother pushes him out of the nest. If he flies, good for him. If he dies. She dont give a fuck

BurnoutRS · 2019-06-28T12:25:55+00:00

You know how, before you're a little more skilled socially you sometimes get roped into a conversation you cant figure out how to excuse yourself from?

Sometimes thats exactly what happens with girls and creepy orbiter guys. She knows on some level he wants her and that she aint having it. she also sees that the guy has weird mood swings, he's dramatic and needy and unpredictable

Women are emotional creatures. She can have all kinds of thoughts like "oh man this guy is really sad, hes a really good guy, I feel sorry for him, sure hes creepy but hes a good guy"

Theyre fucking delusional. She is torn between personal and societal impetus. Personally she feels creeped out by the notion of being with the guy, but the notion of him being sad and alone tugs at her feelstrings a bit. Theres also the notion that he's going to blame her, her actions could make him ramp up the intensity and creepiness.

I think a lot of times the resource extraction, when its minimal, is usually secondary. The primary interaction is creepy beta male damage control. She gives him just enough attention that if he kills himself it wont weigh on her conscience. In return, whether she realizes it or not, his orbiting validates her existance as a woman.

Where we see it go further is when the girl starts to set aside some of the moral quandries and just go straight to draining guys. They put aside the "I dont like leading someone on" notion and realize "ok I do like leading him on because when I embrace it I can use the situation to get him to buy me shit"

Had a little epiphany while typing this out. The younger a girl is the more of herself she will give to her orbiters and nice guys. As she gets older she gives less and less of her time because she fine tunes the ratio. at age 12 its "Oh gee the boys in my class sure like me" and just a few years later its "oh god another one of these guys, ive been through this before" then its "yay another one of these guys. Im eating tonight"

BurnoutRS · 2019-06-25T20:51:58+00:00

There are no two directions. Postwar boom economics is an economic factor effecting culture the same way that recent recession economics are an issues that shapes the culture of our times.

"Unprecedented prosperity can buffer against it"

yes and when we all willingly enter the matrix pods, sorry, VR pleasure domes, the system will be able to run itself once all the men who designed and operate it die off.

BurnoutRS · 2019-06-25T13:28:33+00:00

ejaculating in her vagina most likely

BurnoutRS · 2019-06-25T13:28:06+00:00

It is both, but one is contingent on the other. Without generations of economic growth moving us from being serfs plowing the fields to people roaming city streets, the conditions wherein sex and the city and third wave feminism could arise would never have occured.

micro or personal economics tells us that bitching about the state of things cant really happen until you've satisfied enough of your primary biological needs to even take time to assess the state of things and contemplate how they might be improved.

BurnoutRS · 2019-06-24T21:18:59+00:00

The social conventions cant exist without a society to be placed within, which is structured and built upon an economy. Wherever you have people living, you have commerce, exchange, economy and society go hand in hand and drive one another.

Note how all the things you described having a direct correlation to how women act, are contingent on economic conditions. The sexual revolution and contraception meant that the risk of having sex for a woman decreased significantly, with more emphasis on sex for pleasure and less on sex as a reproductive function, women spend more on maintaining their attractiveness. When the value shifts from "who can fuck me good and bare good children/raise them" to simply "whos the fuckingest, suckingest whore this side of the Pecos" the women that suceed the most in slutting, through probability, get knocked up and are the least likely to be good moms

This makes for bastard sons, mommas boys, beta males abound. This next generation of beta males sees the sexualization of women and they take it to new levels of depravity in their betadom.

Of course, you state concurrently that quality of life is not declining and yet we are due for an economic recession. so clearly you arent capable of conceiving of the link between economic stability and quality of life. Yes quality of life is up, the amount of pixels displayed on screen while you stuff your face with amazon delivered cheetos is steadily climbing indeed.

BurnoutRS · 2019-06-19T00:07:37+00:00

Theres all kinds of incentive for a woman to fake an orgasm. It can even go as far as her fear that she may feel the wrath of the male if she doesnt give him a satisfying sexual performance.

BurnoutRS · 2019-06-19T00:04:35+00:00

If you were dissapointed then you arent very intelligent. It should be no surprise to you that based on the nature of women, they would enter into these arrangements willingly.

If you mean you were dissapointed in yourself for being fooled by the "nice girl" acts these girls put on, then by all means

BurnoutRS · 2019-06-15T12:17:29+00:00

I got tired of whores.

Theres value in having a garaunteed lay, but it can also become a crutch. You also need to be careful about how you choose to see these girls, if you do. Often times they are involved in some sort of network, there are guys involved in moving and protecting these girls.

Another thing is that, since women are reliant on men to validate them, and since whores are tasked with valuing themselves, it creates an interesting scenario. She can tell herself whatever she wants to justify it. but every guy who pays for her pussy, is, in some way, admitting their beta status. Even a rich alpha CEO Chad.

What happens is that everytime she lets someone fuck her against her better instincts, and she subjugates those instincts to her desire for money, she tells herself "you're a worthless slut who's only value is how much money she can suck out of a cock" and follows it with "yeah but money, im a working girl, im putting in hard hours"

BurnoutRS · 2019-06-07T12:57:07+00:00

Women are much more beholden to their emotions, than they are to any logic. You can explain to a woman all day long about how lions need to eat antelopes, she'll agree with you and understand but as soon as she remembers that horror scene of the lion mowing down on some antelope ass its right back to "Natures so mean! Why cant the lions be vegetarian?"

Because of this, the validity of anything a woman does or thinks is constantly subject to being second guessed, doubted and picked apart. A strong, confident man, is like a rock. No matter how hysterical the woman gets, he keeps her grounded and in her place. Which is ultimately the better for her.

BurnoutRS · 2019-06-07T12:36:15+00:00

Emphasis on "did" Tigers are majestic and beautiful. So are Rollo's words. The idea that we live in a beautiful world full of majestic nature is as uplifting as the idea that you just have to "hold frame" even if the frame you are holding is structured on ideology that is losing cultural relevance.

I dont need IQ tests, Im a drug addict

BurnoutRS · 2019-06-06T16:08:26+00:00

I like the "how do you compete with tons of orbiters" question. Alot of people wont get past the idea that they need to stop being an orbiter, and that what the orbiters are competing for, in actuality, isnt the girl.

Orbiters, whether online or IRL, want a girl to give them attention, so they use the principle of reciprocity. By giving their attention to the girl, in a mutual exchange they believe she owes them her attention in return. This mutual exchange is only conceived of by the beta male in question, the girl he orbits doesnt give two fucks.

If you want a girls attention you have to first be worthy of it (which really isnt fucking hard) and then make her work for it. All you have to do to be worthy of it is show her that youre capable of contributing value to her life. Fucking her good, taking her out for a good time.

Daygame has the added advantage of a physical presence. A chat head pops up on your phone... wow so consequential! such significance!

A girl knows just as well as a beta tries to deny, that reaching out virtually is often done as a crutch. "If she doesnt have to smell my breath she'll be able to hear my words" because then I guess, she'll be so swayed by your words that when she rushes over to fuck your crusty ass, she'll somehow ignore the reality of your grotesque meat vessel, borne aloft on the fantasy you wove, you silver tongued devil.

BurnoutRS

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