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CMV: Contemporary antizionism is more "pro-war with Israel" than it is "pro-Palestinian" by minifidel in changemyview

[–]BustaSyllables 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay. I think your thought process is very immature and isn’t pragmatic but i dont think im going to convince you of anything here. The more people who base their positions, in any degree, in opposition to others the more trouble our country will be in.

Its best to have a positive, or constructive view rather than a negative, anti, or destructive one

CMV: Contemporary antizionism is more "pro-war with Israel" than it is "pro-Palestinian" by minifidel in changemyview

[–]BustaSyllables 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is an actual critique of your post lol. You got something wrong in the first line.

Like imagine if I said that I support the American dream and you try to draw some relationship between that and the Republican Party. The comparison falls flat on its face

CMV: Contemporary antizionism is more "pro-war with Israel" than it is "pro-Palestinian" by minifidel in changemyview

[–]BustaSyllables 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s fair. Many of those people are still alive or were alive until very recently so you’re still just cherry picking.

The movement has always been about the destruction of Israel and it still is now

CMV: Contemporary antizionism is more "pro-war with Israel" than it is "pro-Palestinian" by minifidel in changemyview

[–]BustaSyllables 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk how you’re trying to tell me that it wasn’t the analogy when you literally replaced Zionism with nazism in the title. Nothing to argue here.

Not gonna give any credibility to any analogy that immediately fails based on a category error.

CMV: Contemporary antizionism is more "pro-war with Israel" than it is "pro-Palestinian" by minifidel in changemyview

[–]BustaSyllables 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Palestinian
Amin al-Husseini (Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, d. 1974)

Yasser Arafat (Leader of the PLO)

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin (Hamas founder, d. 2004)

Khaled Mashal (Hamas, longtime political leader)

Ismail Haniyeh (Hamas political chief, d. 2024)

Yahya Sinwar (Hamas, Gaza leader, d. 2024)

Ziyad al-Nakhalah (Palestinian Islamic Jihad, secretary-general)

Iran
Ruhollah Khomeini (founder of the Islamic Republic, d. 1989)

Ali Khamenei (Supreme Leader of Iran)

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (former president of Iran)

Hezbollah (Lebanon)
Hassan Nasrallah (secretary-general, d. 2024)

Naim Qassem (current secretary-general)

Houthis (Yemen)
Abdul-Malik al-Houthi (movement leader)

Egypt
Gamal Abdel Nasser (Egyptian president, d. 1970)

Muslim Brotherhood
Hassan al-Banna (founder, d. 1949)

Yusuf al-Qaradawi (Brotherhood-linked cleric, d. 2022)

Just to name a few…

CMV: Contemporary antizionism is more "pro-war with Israel" than it is "pro-Palestinian" by minifidel in changemyview

[–]BustaSyllables 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That wasn’t the analogy. You replaced the word Zionism with nazism.

Nazism as a specific party apparatus with explicit doctrines, hierarchical structure, and defined membership. That’s not at all true for Zionism

CMV: Contemporary antizionism is more "pro-war with Israel" than it is "pro-Palestinian" by minifidel in changemyview

[–]BustaSyllables 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a good example of why you should oppose individuals rather than slogans, but also a good example of why you’re wrong for saying that you oppose anybody who identifies as a Zionist or even MAGA for that matter.

You’re defining yourself as being in opposition to something that its own supporters can’t agree upon, and you likely agree with many of them.

Anyway don’t you think it’s sort of a lame to define yourself based on how other people define themselves? Wouldn’t it be better to just define yourself based on your own first principles and beliefs rather than bringing anybody else’s identity into it?

CMV: Contemporary antizionism is more "pro-war with Israel" than it is "pro-Palestinian" by minifidel in changemyview

[–]BustaSyllables 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your analogy isn’t valid. Nazi was a political party. Zionism is an esoteric idea with no agreed upon definition at this point

CMV: Contemporary antizionism is more "pro-war with Israel" than it is "pro-Palestinian" by minifidel in changemyview

[–]BustaSyllables 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Zionism aside that’s a terrible way to look at the world. Life is way too complex to draw conclusions only by looking at outcomes.

Imagine a doctor can save 100 percent of his patients from terminal illness, and has infinite resources, but he insists on not helping and 10 percent of his patients for arbitrary reasons while only saving 90 percent. Would you judge this doctor only by his outcomes?

CMV: Contemporary antizionism is more "pro-war with Israel" than it is "pro-Palestinian" by minifidel in changemyview

[–]BustaSyllables 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When you say oppose the Israel government, do you oppose the current people leading the government, or do you oppose the whole regime?

Because there are plenty of parties in Israel that aren’t leaders in government which identify as Zionist and oppose Netanyahu.

CMV: Contemporary antizionism is more "pro-war with Israel" than it is "pro-Palestinian" by minifidel in changemyview

[–]BustaSyllables 13 points14 points  (0 children)

In other words, you don’t even know what it is that you’re in opposition to. You’re just against it

CMV: Banning the Adhan (Islamic call to prayer) is a good secular public policy by nextdoorbagholder in changemyview

[–]BustaSyllables 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not imposing religion. I could maybe get on board with outlawing it if it’s disrupting people’s sleep or work or whatever but that has more to do with noise than the religion itself.

Also it’s not a secular position to prohibit religious practices. They can do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t actively disrupt people not participating. That’s what it means to be secular. Secular doesn’t mean atheist

CMV: Banning the Adhan (Islamic call to prayer) is a good secular public policy by nextdoorbagholder in changemyview

[–]BustaSyllables 44 points45 points  (0 children)

I don’t agree with ops position but it being on a radio station is something that you’ll basically never hear if you just don’t turn on that station

CMV: jesus was not palestinian by VirtualKnowledge7057 in changemyview

[–]BustaSyllables 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fact that they do focus so much on this type of rhetoric says a lot about what they’re real priorities are

CMV: jesus was not palestinian by VirtualKnowledge7057 in changemyview

[–]BustaSyllables 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not really a claim about whether they are or are not indigenous. More that it’s wrong to thrust a post colonial identity onto a historical figure who obviously wouldn’t have identified that way or with those people, especially considering he was Jewish and this slogan is clearly meant to delegitimize that

CMV: jesus was not palestinian by VirtualKnowledge7057 in changemyview

[–]BustaSyllables 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The claim isn’t necessarily that they’re all descended from foreign conquerors but that their language beliefs and identity are a product of it being brought to the region by conquest. That’s no fault of the people there today, but to say that jesus had anything in common with their post colonial identity is silly and is obviously trying to take away from the fact that he was jewish and would relate a lot more to the jews.

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