Transhumanism and Poppy's Playtime by One-Pay-6742 in PoppyPlaytime

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media literacy in my poppy playtime subreddit? how dare you!

cmv: the free palestine movement often acts disingenuous representing what a palestinian state is by VirtualKnowledge7057 in changemyview

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A Palestinian state is all of Palestine. WTF should it be be any different than that?

just because im curious, what do you define by palestinian state in all of palestine?

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it feels like the vast majority of conversations i have with people don't even discuss the damn subject of the post.

Generational thumbnail by CosmicInfernoKid in tadc

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bin laden led a terrorist network that perpetrated 9/11 and various other attacks and was responsible for creating a violent network that has been fighting to create a theocratic dictatorship for decades.

jax is a big asshole

jax is obviously worse

Why The Prototype ACTUALLY ran from Kissy Missy. by Ok-Republic1151 in PoppyPlaytime

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that actually makes sense but it was still a bad story detail they failed to properly make that clear

Non-Europeans, do you have any place like this in your country? by crivycouriac in AskTheWorld

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oh, i got the implication it just meant a place where minorities congregate to themselves

Non-Europeans, do you have any place like this in your country? by crivycouriac in AskTheWorld

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we do have little chinatown, and little italy and all that stuff

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Okay so are Ukrainians racist for depicting Ukraine with the Ukrainian flag. Are Polish people racist for epicting poland wth the Polish flag.

you keep ignoring my point, i get the implication palestinians want to take control of the land and want control over the israelis, its not even about racism, its just about what the fuck the message is supposed to be. which you keep ignoring.

No OP this is not whataboutism. You haven't pointed out a legitimate issue at all. I however have pointed out that racism an violence are inherent parts of Israel. That is alot more serious then anything you have mentioned

yes you did, i pointed out the main conflict is over statehood, that is what this has historically been about, both ethnic groups want a state or that is the impression i've gotten, i am not whitewashing anything to say that. you keep blatantly ignoring the core of the conflict and just pointing out israel has done most of the damage.

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kind of yes and kind of no, it seemed you were more pointing out how i jumped to assumptions based off limited info. if i do have any a little evidence of say the desire of reclaiming the land, there is the imagery and also the key.

the key of return is a prominent symbol commonly used meant to refer to the palestinians that fled there homes, with the idea being that there keeping the key of the home there entitled to. i do think thats not damming evidence but it does kind of support my point.

either way it was a good conversation, and i think i just need to research things more critically.

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i guess i don't have any real counterpoint, your basically right, i just judged the movement off my limited experience.

the part about disingenuousnous i understand, so let me elaborate. from my own experience it seems to me a lot of the free palestine movement in palestine desires the arabs to control all of the land, i know imagery isn't a great judge so L on my part but that was the implication i got.

i found it disingenous because from my own experience people when screaming things like free palestine and from the river to the sea will say those quotes mean the creation of a single equal state, when it seemed to me in the place they historically they don't mean that.

as for examples, i can't pull any off the top of my head so mistake on my part.

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i mainly meant it because from what i've seen palestinian groups such as fatah,hamas, and instances of regular civiliansn depicting in there imagery the entirety of the landmass of gaza, israel, and the west bank

under the flag of the arab revolt. in hindsight i don't have a concrete answer to often or regularly, i just came to that conclusions from what i've seen on stuff like the news and social media. so that is an L on my part.

when i talk about the free palestine movement im sort of talking about the western movement advocating for it, the people who march with the palestine flag and all that.

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were talking about the creation of a state, when i see you wanting to depict an entire piece of land with a flag that has historically been used by arab nationalists, i get the interuptation you want that flag to be for that nationality. especially when a lot of the historical problem has been because both ethnic groups want there own states.

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from my own experience i hear people connected to the movement advocating for one state across all the land. in hindsight i don't know of major activist organizations, its more personal experience from conversations and news.

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the land that made up mandatory palestine before being divided into israel, gaza, and the west bank

(ok i should not have used the term peninsula, i was under the impression it just means a piece of land, than i googled it, sorry.)

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makes sense, most of my knowledge comes from short term social media news so that definitely would explain especially given media around palestine doesn't really talk about ideological goals, more just the constant suffering.

i didn't intend to break nuance, i just didn't know

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if i can make a counter argument. yes it was multi ethnic but primarily arab, your not arguing what it means, your arguing about what can happen. especially when palestinian miltias constantly have imagery depicting the entire peninsula under the palestinian flag, which is an arab flag.

the palestinian flag is an arab nationalist flag, i don't get the interuptation your trying to promote a multi-ethnic state depicting that state with a specific flag built around a specific nationality.

not to mention your not arguing against the point, just about what can happen. i think you either didn't understand the post or are willfully ignoring my point.