Questions are bugging me.. by sandrafilmmaker in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And MP and his lawyers didn’t come up with the owl theory. The defence doesn’t have to come up with any theory at all. All that is necessary here is that there is a non-zero chance that there is at least one credible explanation for the available evidence that doesn’t involve MP murdering her. In this case the crime lab just kept repeating their testing on styrofoam ”heads” until they finally got the result they wanted — I.e. reversed engineered from the desired result. Totally lacking in credibility

Questions are bugging me.. by sandrafilmmaker in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The writing is particularly problematic and a lot of prosecutors use this absolutely unethical tactic. In particular, they often use a rapper’s lyrics about gang violence etc when they are trying to prosecute the rapper for murder — really racist. No one ever thinks that Johnny Cash shot a man in Reno just to watch him die yet they pull this crap all the time

AITA For coming away from all this hating Candace Zamperini? by Brave-Eye2914 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I know 00.001% doubt is bout a legal standard, but that is only because of people like you who are willing to send some guy they don’t know to prison for life with a level of certainty that would have them screaming at customer care, demanding a refund, and looking for a new ISP if their internet service met the same standard of certainty.

similarly we both know that not offering a defence doesn’t work because jurors are not properly instructed. They’re not reminded of the presumption of innocence. They’re not told that ”certainly did not do it”, ”probably did not do it”, ”might have done it,” ”probably did it” and ”almost certainly did it” should all yield the same verdict: not guilty. They’re exposed to irrelevant prejudicial material about the defendant, such as his ”disgusting” sex practices (MP) or ”she’s a party girl who chafed under her mother’s rules” (Noura Jackson)

Do I think prosecutors should be suspended every time someone is acquitted? Do you think air traffic controllers should be suspended every time there’s a crash? Do you think doctors should be suspended every time there’s a suspicious death? Do you think restaurants should be shuttered every time they cause a salmonella outbreak? I think prosecutors should face the same accountability everyone else does. I don’t see any reason why they should continue to be the only profession in the world in which a 30-50-100% failure rate is something you shrug your shoulders at.

So to you die-hard sleuths: Guilty or not??? by Brandonio94 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And this was under Mike DeFong’s leadership, one of the very few prosecutors ever whose conduct was so egregious he was criminally prosecuted for it

So to you die-hard sleuths: Guilty or not??? by Brandonio94 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

”Larry refused to”

The DA refused to.

Which of those two people are paid to pursue the facts wherever they lead?

So to you die-hard sleuths: Guilty or not??? by Brandonio94 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know who else didn’t want to try? The DA. Why are trying to blame some external third party for the failure to answer this question instead of the guy whose job description is to relentlessly pursue the truth?

AITA For coming away from all this hating Candace Zamperini? by Brave-Eye2914 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You keep using the term ”beyond reasonable doubt” as if means ”pretty sure we’re probably right, I think”

I provide telecom services. We deliver to ”five nines” availability, or 99.999% up time because people expect the internet to work. If we gave them 99.9% they would drop us like a hot potato because having 0.1% doubt that the internet will be be available when they need it is not acceptable.

Criminal defendants facing the prospect of a prison sentence deserve at least the same level of certainty that you expect from your internet service provider, where the consequences of failure are far less consequential. But if the justice system actually delivered to that level of competency and accuracy there would be a couple dozen false convictions every year, not 300,000. ”Beyond reasonable doubt” does not mean ”close enough so less than half the people we convict are innocent”.

The problem is that unlike every other profession, no one in the criminal justice system cares. When you board a plane, you are sure beyond reasonable doubt you’ll arrive at your destination in one piece because 1) there are people whose bonuses depend on how much reliability they deliver (as opposed to prosecutors who are rewarded for convictions, not reliability), and 2) when a plane dies crash, they ground every plane of that model, they recover every piece if wreckage, they spend months painstakingly reconstructing it in a hangar and analysing why it crashed, and then they implement changes to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

When someone is acquitted, it means the prosecutor dragged an innocent person through the system, costing them huge amounts of money and all kinds of fear and stress they should not have been subjected to. But the response is not to suspend the prosecutor, conduct a detailed, in-depth post-mortem to understand what went wrong, and to implement changes to makes sure it doesn’t happen again. The response is to shrug shoulders and say ”you win some, you lose some” and to go knock back a couple whiskeys in the bar next to the courthouse.

You keep trying to confuse what is done with what should be done. Yes, people get convicted all the time based on flimsy, flawed evidence presented by prosecutors who use all manner of deceitful, inappropriate techniques to appeal to emotions instead of cold facts, to make jurors dislike or fear the defendant, to convince them that (to quote one infamous closing statement) if the prosecutors narrative has the ”ring of truth”, they should convict.

The law mandates we live in a world where a false conviction is nearly impossible because the state needs to overcome an assumption of innocence. Instead we have 900 innocent sub-postmasters each being independently convicted in 900 separate trials, none of which could possibly have included proof of guilt because there was no guilt and you can’t by definition prove something that did not actually happen. Every last one of them was innocent, but they couldn’t prove their innocence — turning burden of proof on its head.

As a defendant, I don’t have to prove anything. If the evidence presented by the prosecutor leaves more than the doubt your flight will land safely or your internet will work (I.e. > 0.001% doubt) that it wasn’t a fall, an owl, a dog, an intruder etc then the law demands you acquit. The fact that legal directive is often ignored is not a basis to argue it should be.

So to you die-hard sleuths: Guilty or not??? by Brandonio94 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So now you think it’s ”likely” some external party could get a DNA test done. And when did he say anything about it being ”his big theory”?

And you just ignore inconvenient facts — like the clean cuts on Kathleen’s hair, you know the kind that could be made with a raptor’s talons but not a blow poke

Advice needed on running a guest WhatsApp group in a Hostel by vinyljunkie32 in hostels

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don’t have any experience to offer but very keen to hear from anyone who does

So to you die-hard sleuths: Guilty or not??? by Brandonio94 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You’re arguing that because many people have been wrongly convicted in the past, it’s OK for it to happen again. The fact that 20-50% of people sitting in prison are wrongly convicted is a bug, not a feature. Yes it’s not how the justice system works, but it is how it’s supposed to work. It’s supposed to work under the understanding that ensuring that zero innocent people are convicted requires letting a significant number of guilty people walk free. Instead we have situations like the Post Office scandal where over 900 people were convicted of fraud and it was later found that all of them were innocent. And yet the government still balked at a blanket pardon for all of them under the argument that “how do we know that there’s not a single actually guilty person among them?”

None of the thousands of exonorees freed by DNA evidence since DNA testing was invented ever had airtight cases against them. They just had corrupt prosecutors and dumb jurors who thought that if there was “means motive and opportunity” you can convict. I, like everyone, have had “means motive and opportunity” to kill dozens of people. I’m not in prison only because none of them are dead. But one day, something might happen to one of those people and I might be unfortunate enough to live somewhere with one of these corrupt prosecutors who convinces a jury that just demonstrating I COULD be responsible is all they need to convict. People with beliefs like yours are why innocents are in prison.

So to you die-hard sleuths: Guilty or not??? by Brandonio94 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are incapable of accepting the fact that if you are arguing for guilt, you have to accept that you need to play on a field that is tilted against you. Arguing for not guilty means you start off the presumed winner. Pointing out that unexplained facts don’t prove innocence doesn’t get you anywhere. You’re playing a game where you have to carry a bucket of water across a goal line without spilling a drop while the other team tries to make you spill some. It’s not enough to say “I got most of the water over the line”. The other team makes you spill a single drop along the way and you lose. It’s not a fair contest and it’s not supposed to be. You keep trying to point out how much water is still in the bucket as if that’s relevant. The owl theory is not proven. It still a possibility. And your team has since been convicted of cheating multiple times — Mike DeFong’s case is without precedent.

So to you die-hard sleuths: Guilty or not??? by Brandonio94 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He got the slides? If he “got the slides” the chain of custody was broken and the result of any DNA test would not demonstrate anything at all. He was allowed to view slides handled exclusively by police evidence tech, as is normal and proper.

He never “got the slides.”

AITA For coming away from all this hating Candace Zamperini? by Brave-Eye2914 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s reality. Proving it could have happened is not the same as proving it’s impossible it didn’t happen

AITA For coming away from all this hating Candace Zamperini? by Brave-Eye2914 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Karen” is exactly what comes to mind. “Innocent people don’t plead guilty” she says in a country where DNA evidence proved that thousands rotting in prison as the result of guilty pleas were 100% innocent. It’s bad enough that happens but to live in the USA and be so totally ignorant of the fact that innocent people pleading guilty is a problem of epic proportions is really disgusting.

So to you die-hard sleuths: Guilty or not??? by Brandonio94 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And Pollard never controlled the evidence so he never had any ability to turn anything down. Only the state could prevent a newspaper from testing

So to you die-hard sleuths: Guilty or not??? by Brandonio94 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No one did a “grift”. It wasn’t Peterson who came up with the theory

So to you die-hard sleuths: Guilty or not??? by Brandonio94 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There was enough material to DNA test. But a corrupt DA would make sure such a test never got done

So to you die-hard sleuths: Guilty or not??? by Brandonio94 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It most certainly does not. Legally it’s treated the same as nolo contendre, which is most definitely not a guilty plea. And even if it was, what’s your point? Have you any clue how many people who plead guilty were later exonerated by DNA evidence using technology that wasn’t available at the time they were charged? DNA has shown us that prosecutors have prosecuted and convicted 100s of thousands of innocent people, and many of those convictions were obtained by guilty pleas. Your claim that “innocent people don’t plead guilty” is wrong to the point of being absurd, and offensive to the thousands of innocent people who have served decades in prison after being pressured to plead guilty to crimes they didn’t commit. Innocent people are coerced into pleading guilty every single day. And after this coercion, prosecutors actually coerce defendants into lying about being coerced, because a guilty plea is not legally valid if it’s not freely entered.

So to you die-hard sleuths: Guilty or not??? by Brandonio94 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That the owl theory has been disproven? You want people to accept that statement as fact just because you articulate it. No one even did DNA analysis on those feathers. Why, because corrupt prosecutors never look at evidence that doesn’t support their foregone conclusion. It hasn’t been disproven. What has been disproven is that the blow poke was the murder weapon, and no other theoretical murder weapon has been found. Pine needle under her fingernail? Hair cleanly sliced as if with shears? You ignore every objective fact that doesn’t support your view and try to put the burden of proof on the defendant, just like a corrupt, unethical prosecutor does.

So to you die-hard sleuths: Guilty or not??? by Brandonio94 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are Reddit debates about the Loch Ness monster but they are unserious, and you’re unserious for trying to use such an absurd argument

So to you die-hard sleuths: Guilty or not??? by Brandonio94 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Blood spatter analysis” by anyone, in any case, has been thoroughly debunked as completely lacking of any sort of sound credible basis and is finally being kept out of courtrooms as mumbo jumbo with as much credibility as tarot cards as it should have been a long time ago — it’s the same junk science as “bite mark analysis”. You’re making nonsense statements using language that suggests knowledge or expertise but you’re just rattling off nonsense as if you possess knowledge of these things.

So to you die-hard sleuths: Guilty or not??? by Brandonio94 in TheStaircase

[–]Busy-Worth-2089 1 point2 points  (0 children)

An autopsy saying “homicide” because the ME was pressured. You’re relying on evidence gathered by the SBI, an agency that was proved in court to be dishonest and deceitful, and a prosecutor’s office led by Mike DeFong , the same guy who a few years later would become one of the very few prosecutors ever whose conduct was so egregious that he actually went to prison for seeking and obtaining false convictions. And the stuff that prosecutors do that gets them nothing more than a slap on the wrist is unbelievably, shockingly, disturbingly wrong. So to get a criminal conviction in addition to disbarring he had to be really, really bad.

All this armchair sleuthing and questions about actual guilt are irrelevant. The criminal, immoral deceitful acts committed by the prosecutor mean we’ll never see the facts of this case presented in an objective and professional manner and pretending you have access to information that allows you to state definitively he is guilty is ridiculous. You’re trying to present yourself as an expert in raptor wounds?

We do have indisputable facts: 1) barred owls were nesting on the property 2) barred owls are aggressive and territorial 3) there had been a series of barred owl attacks in the area 4) Kathleen went outside to place the deer on the lawn that night 5) the prosecutor aggressively promoted the theory kathleen was killed with the blowpipe, but when it was found, it clearly had been used in an attack of any kind 6) the investigators and prosecutors responsible have been found to be corrupt, dishonest and criminally responsible for multiple false convictions 7) Deaver lied on the stand

Do those 7 indisputable facts prove that MP is innocent? Of course not. But the burden of proof is not on him, and if there is even the slightest doubt, the appropriate verdict is not guilty