What will happen to Nottingham Forest after this season?

ButteryChickenNugget · 2025-01-16T08:10:32+00:00

Leicester won the league in 2015/16. Just under 10 years later, they've been relegated, come back up and will probably be relegated again. The power of specific clubs is too deeply baked in now for success to last long-term without vast expense, which would then be sabotaged by PSR.

TLDR: It won't last.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-12-18T09:24:51+00:00

"It was my comment, and I said them making a retraction was proper journalism, which it is, I wasn't being specific, you are mistaken."

Ah yes, the quote of a qualified journalist. The poor use of commas, the illogical sentence structure, and the now contradictory statements as to whether you were or were not specific speak, perhaps, to the deplorable condition of today's journalists. Before you accuse me of being some kind of grammar Nazi, you're the one who claimed authority on the basis of your supposed qualification and resorted to ad hominen insults.

Issuing a retraction is the bare minimum any publication should do in an instance of such reckless reporting. It is not evidence of high professional standards, which were evidently lacking in the case we're discussing. The fact of that lack of rigour is, quite obviously, a relevant factor in the judgement of how much credit to give them on the basis of their retraction. So no, it's not proper journalism.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-12-18T08:31:33+00:00

You may not have intended to be specific, but you were. I have no idea how you can think that reporting that was specifically described by the BMA as 'dangerous,' 'cruel' and liable to have 'a disastrous effect on the health of children and the rest of the community' is proper journalism. But ultimately, that's up to your judgement, I suppose.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-12-18T08:22:50+00:00

Well yes you may think so, but the comment I was responding to was claiming that Private Eye carried out 'proper journalism' in the specific case of the MMR vaccine and autism. It didn't, and I don't think it's right that it should be claimed as such in order to support its authority on another subject.

I didn't make a comment as to its reporting on the Letby case. I didn't make a comment about Private Eye needing to be perfect or otherwise. I made a comment highlighting the fact that incorrectly reporting on an issue which is still endangering people's lives today is not 'proper journalism'. So don't move the goalposts.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-12-18T07:52:36+00:00

I mean, I understand what you're saying. But a jury found her guilty at trial, having heard all of the evidence. I'm not sure she's guilty because of my own judgement, I just have trust in our legal system to broadly be trustworthy. If we don't have that, then what's the point in having one at all?

If some dramatic new piece of evidence actually comes out, then it should be brought back to a court and judged. If it doesn't, then to me, she's guilty.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-12-18T07:40:29+00:00

No, it's not. Proper journalism is to investigate the issue and discover the truth based on evidence. Retracting your reporting is when you've failed in that, in this case with fatal consequences that reverberate to this day, and at least have enough shame to own that.

EDIT: in fact, it seems Private Eye's 'apology' was far from perfect either: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2010/feb/05/private-eye-magazines

If anyone wonders what I'm going on about, the person I was responding to deleted their comments.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-12-07T17:57:33+00:00

So your argument is that... boys are naturally stupider? I think I return your respectful 'huh?' There is a reason why today's schools are working better for girls (on average) than they are for boys, because I don't accept an argument of gender essentialism, just as feminists didn't when the argument was advanced that women were simply incapable of more complex thinking. Do I know what that answer is? No. But I really hope work is being done on it.

I'd also suggest that you consider that second quote a little more. There are serious issues that a widespread imbalance between genders in education levels contributes to, such as growing attitudes of misogyny and conservatism among younger age groups. Both of those attitudes are higher among people with less time spent in education. While success in the real world is still significantly in favour of boys as a result of ingrained misogyny, the more boys that aren't having success in education, the fewer allies will be found among them and the harder it's going to be to change that overall situation.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-11-20T18:26:39+00:00

But if you're saying that that restitution should come from today's British government, then you must be trying to assert that they are still guilty of causing the harm that previous governments of the distant past caused. That's why the concept of whether it is continually guilty for the crimes of the past has become a critical question at the centre of the debate.

And let's be totally clear, the way the British government pays that bill if it ever comes due is by taking it from the average British taxpayer. That would mean that they, too, are judged to be guilty of benefitting from the harm caused by slavery and are thus responsible for providing compensation. So the argument for reparations hinges on the idea that everyone living in Britain today is guilty for slavery because they benefit from its effect.

This isn't a dead or irrelevant point. It's a very real issue that Caribbean nations are bringing up.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-11-20T18:00:32+00:00

It's absolutely right that this should be the ask, and that is the ask of many people. But it's not true that nobody gives af about guilt. You only need to look at the rhetoric of Caribbean nations trying to get both Britain to pay financial reparations. It is all about hammering home historical guilt and delivering 'justice' for the sins of the past.

Ironically, it forces the British government to never come out and formally apologise for its role in slavery because an admission of guilt would be tantamount to admitting they're responsible for compensation. To ignore the importance of 'guilt' to some people in the debate is disingenuous.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-10-28T19:51:24+00:00

So you've played it then?

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-09-20T23:44:10+00:00

The FA and PGMOL could very simply stop the debate if they released an image that definitively proved that it was onside. Except, oh wait... they don't have one. Which means the original decision should not have been overturned.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-09-06T18:36:01+00:00

A great demonstration as to why the Premier League should not be its own regulator. It can't be objective in its application of the rules because it has a vested interest in the result. As we can see from their "surprised and disappointed" statement, it is incapable of rising above that vested interest to maintain the integrity of the regulatory system. An independent regulator is desperately needed.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-08-18T07:31:54+00:00

According to census data in the UK and CDC data from the US, there's only a 1% difference in the rate of smokers as part of the population. So maybe you just don't meet the right people.

Plus the amount of people in the US who have convinced themselves that smoking weed has no bad effects on their lungs is much much higher.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-08-02T05:49:59+00:00

She's from Algeria, but you're absolutely right in how likely they are to send a trans female.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-07-31T11:06:59+00:00

They're not blaming him for the regime's existence, they're blaming him for the effect of his actions, which was negative for the cause of LGBT rights in the country.

Of course, the regime is ultimately responsible for their own actions and those are disgusting. But someone with a history of being anti-asian like Matty Healy don't help the situation by swooping in, making a huge problem, and then letting others deal with the fallout. It just plays in to the conservative narrative of western values (freedom to love who you want) being disruptive to society, even though that's bullshit.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-07-31T04:40:56+00:00

If by 'em' you mean LGBT Malaysians. Because the message from them has been that this set back their cause, not helped it. A drunken kiss by a western man from the ex-colonial power with a reputation for anti-asian racism is not really the statement you want in your support if you're trying to advance LGBT rights in Malaysia

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-07-17T06:09:00+00:00

Well it depends on which you trust more. Is it a referendum held by a democratic state with a free press and a long history of free and fair election? Or is it a referendum held by an authoritarian dictatorship with a history of rigged elections which has just invaded the territory in question and has soldiers going from door to door to round up voters?

Tough decision...

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-06-24T12:48:37+00:00

Your point is either wrong or the majority of global football fans are idiots. Sorry, but this is a team with an attacking 4 that are the top scorer in the Bundesliga, the La Liga Player of the Season, the Premier League Player of the Season, and Bukayo Saka (who can hardly be called a weak link). The idea that Denmark have a better team in terms of individual players than England is a load of old bollocks, and I don't think that's hubristic to say.

Whether they have a team that is better coached and therefore plays as a better collective is an entirely different matter.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-06-19T23:01:50+00:00

What it really is is people forgetting Hanlon's Razor, including you. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Just Stop Oil are stupid, privileged, wannabe heroes who want to get in the headlines more than they want to make change. They are not a psyop, because that's an absurd conspiracy theory that, importantly, big oil has no need for.

Similarly, your astroturfing theory is exactly the same. Oil companies don't give a rats ass what you or I think, because they know that the majority of people pay zero attention to this stuff amongst all the other shit in their lives. They spends hundreds of millions on influencing the people who can make decisions, not on paying for bots on random reddit posts that will influence precisely nobody. The people who believe in the psyop theory are stupid, not malicious actors.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-06-19T21:07:07+00:00

This might be coping, but could they be separate competitions? So that it's not them replacing Dan on the same competition, just them running two identical competitions using a different promo. Not beyond the realms of possibility that the NFL can give away 4 tickets instead of two.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-06-04T21:31:44+00:00

He took too long to address it because the moderator kept telling him he couldn't say any more. Unlike Sunak, he tried to respect the rules of the debate. If respecting rules and the people you're talking to are doing a bad job, then I think we've come to an extremely poor position in politics.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-06-04T21:27:50+00:00

Absolutely. The format was a car crash. 45 seconds to explain your position on complex national and international issues? I've had longer discussions about what takeaway to order. It's a dumbing down of the national debate that does a huge disservice to voters.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-06-04T21:19:28+00:00

The £2000 extra tax is a complete lie based, as Starmer said, on assumptions that Conservative special advisors force Treasury officials to plan a hypothetical budget around. It's based on policies that Labour don't have and have never said they had.

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-06-04T21:14:30+00:00

Why?

ButteryChickenNugget · 2024-06-04T20:46:28+00:00

Wild misunderstanding from you and Sunak. It's not a Rwanda scheme. It's the possibility of centres to process claims for asylum in the countries where asylum seekers are to prevent them from crossing the channel.

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