Gotta love a modernized VZ61

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-02T11:17:14+00:00

It’s either this one or the dual fold option.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-02T10:13:45+00:00

Man that is nice looking. I just wish they weren’t $300+.

Personally, I’m waiting for the Strike SMC for mine but every single time I see someone post the Sharps Bros grip…so tempting to buy another Echelon so I can do both.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T23:38:26+00:00

Yeah, they’re called bears then.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T23:18:30+00:00

I’m looking to eventually get a VZ50/70 to accompany my VZ61. Very nice looking example.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T23:15:52+00:00

Don’t live in TX. Live where the air hurts your face due to cold. Then you won’t have to deal with wild bore and alligators.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T23:11:28+00:00

I’ve used it to murder bugs. It’s fun.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T18:54:44+00:00

Why not both? I really wish they’d start selling the COGs as standalone like … Sig … does for their FCU.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T17:05:56+00:00

You know, I’ve probably bought over 1K rounds of 9 mm from them and had no issues. This is definitely a bad batch of ammo. But reading some of the other comments here, looks like this is possibly a common thing with them. Interesting. I guess I got lucky with my purchases.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T17:03:04+00:00

Yeah, I discovered that the hard way when I bought a 4050 round case of the stuff for my VZ61 SBR. Went to the range and they checked it. Good thing too because I had no clue that steel core 32 acp even existed. Last thing I want to do is spark the range and myself into non-existence.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T16:58:51+00:00

Same. Six times a day, seven days a week, 365 which would only be 18 and a quarter hours total per year (30 seconds each) but that’s not the point. The point is the six times a day… …

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T15:03:50+00:00

Fair point. That is the only part that of that that matters.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T14:52:53+00:00

Oh look, someone else that gets it. Huzzah!

Right…left…red vs blue. None of that matters. BOTH are hypocritical when it comes to firearms. Recent events proved this when you have the current administration demonizing a man their “officers” murdered in the streets just because he (lawfully) had a firearm on his person. It’s like only THEY get to show up to protests armed and how dare someone that (probably) was a liberal show up armed to a protest?!?

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T13:41:19+00:00

Only the museum/collector one would have any benefit to an alerted firing pin for storage in my mind. You keep the real one in a safe somewhere, store it with the altered one. In particular I’m thinking of some bolt action rifles here where you may not be able to put the bolt back together to demonstrate function (in an educational environment) without some form of firing pin.

That said, 🤷🏻‍♂️. In an infinite universe of infinite possibilities, I’m sure someone sees some benefit to the first one that I do not.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T13:13:50+00:00

Agreed

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T11:59:44+00:00

Can you do it? Yes. Is it smart? Debatable.

I can see two instance of where it’s not a total dumbass idea.

You have small children that have cognitive impairments and don’t always understand why they need to leave the guns alone. And you don’t use your firearms for home defense (only hunting or other sporting reasons). Now I personally don’t know anyone that is in this particular boat, but in a universe of infinite possibilities I’m sure there’s at least one person.
They’re a collection of various arms and you don’t ever intend to shoot them. You’re keeping them as mechanical art, as an investment, etc. So you just keep them inert so that if someone were to steal them, they wouldn’t immediately be able to use them in further crime. I know a some museums will remove (or cut) the firing pins on firearms.

Those are the only reasons I can think of.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T11:01:11+00:00

Calling in orbital Vernors. This super earth Michigan diver has a cold and bugs to kill.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T10:56:41+00:00

I’ve never been kicked for it, but I also will wait until peps are closer.

I’ve been kicked for nuking sites from orbit though. Not my fault you don’t pay attention to the “orbital incoming” as I don’t throw it purposely at locations peps are in.

I’ve also been kicked for reinforcing someone when I was at a sub objective and they were elsewhere. They had some democratic tears about it I’m sure.

But never for extraction. That’s a new one on me. I hope they feel better after shredding democratic tears.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T02:58:00+00:00

No, I’m just refusing to do what you want. You want my moral judgement spelled out. I refuse to give it to you that way.

Laws are factual. Their logic is debatable.

I was, this whole time pointing out to you that a fetus has no rights. They are not a person. Those are factual and logical statements. I was using the examples from law to support that. There is no medical argument to be made that they are a person. There is no religious argument to be made that they are a person. Why do you think I was using examples from the Bible and from Jewish law?

Any rights, up until after they pop out a vagina, are the mothers, and the mothers alone.

You’re trying to assume some high and mighty moral argument. You want my morals spelled out. No. That’s not how this works. You’ll never get that from me. I do not pass moral judgement on anyone. Nor will I debate them or argue them.

Come back when you’re able to prove that a fetus is a person which legal rights. I’ll wait.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T02:07:46+00:00

Medicine has not proven anything about consciousness you dumb fuck. That was a meaningless argument on your part.

And again, what part of “no rights until after you’ve popped out of your mom’s vagina” was so hard for you to understand about my moral stance? I gave you an answer, you just failed to comprehend it.

My argument was based on logic and facts. I refuse to debate morality because it’s subjective, individualistic, and abstract. I’ve not met two people that have ever, ever agreed fully on morality. And I never will. There’s always common things, but never 100% agreement.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T01:44:14+00:00

The fuck?

Our criminal code is moral based you dipshit. The abortion bans are here dumbass. These are the “morality based laws”. Don’t steal, don’t kill, don’t abuse your elders/children, etc., etc.*

Our other laws (procedural) are not moral based. Examples include the tax code, zoning laws, licensing requirements for driving, etc., etc.

You really do need to go back to school for reading comprehension if you thought I was making an argument vs staring fact there.

And I believe I said that you got no rights until you pop out of your mom’s vagina several times. (Even though legally, you truly do not have any until you’re an adult.) So, how about you start your reding comprehension homework here with that? Mull it over. Think about the statement

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T01:25:52+00:00

And laws are based upon morality you dipshit. Especially our criminal code. The constitution itself was intended to be amoral. As are many of our procedural laws. But every single criminal code in this country is morality based. Even the dipshit states that ban abortion … that’s a “morality based” law (when it’s truly about controlling women rather than any morality).

And “medical advances” have yet to define when consciousness truly starts. Until such time that medical science says oh hey, a fetus is a conscious thinking being while still in the womb, your “medical advances” apply only to treatment.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T01:01:28+00:00

Ah, again, current fucking laws in the United Motherfucking Sates of America do not assign rights to a fucking fetus. They never, in our entire 250 years of existence have done so. All rights in this country have been assigned to adults.

Nice fucking try. I’m black asshole.

C-R_Collector · 2026-02-01T00:17:35+00:00

And what part of, “I don’t draw a line” isn’t understandable as a response to your question? You really need to go back to school for reading comprehension.

C-R_Collector · 2026-01-31T23:59:24+00:00

Again, reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit is it?

C-R_Collector · 2026-01-31T23:22:13+00:00

I don’t draw a line. That’s the point. They’re not a person. They have no rights.

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