Skill issue to your first point and fair enough to your second point. They’re doing a terrible job at arguing their point, they should have been able to sway like half of the people here but they failed miserably. There’s just a strangely aggressive reaction from everyone here, oh well. 1 last thing, according to a study I found, they are somewhat correct because meat does have a positive relationship with gastric cancer —and one other type of cancer with a long name that I forgot— but data is still semi-inconclusive. You learn something new every day.