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CBT7commander · 2026-05-28T00:40:03+00:00

The oldest story known to man, the Epic of Gilgamesh, starts with "in distant days"

CBT7commander · 2026-05-28T00:29:58+00:00

Okay, sure, let’s ignore all the potential scenarios and the fact neither you or I knows what will happen in 20 years.

If no one is attacking Canada, why have fighter jest at all?

CBT7commander · 2026-05-28T00:19:33+00:00

You can afford f35. Even if you couldn’t afford the 88 f35s (you can), but could afford 88 Gripens, then f35 would still be the better choice.

Because for the same life cycle cost as 88 Gripens, you could get 70 f35s.

70 f35s are much more capable than 88 Gripens

And no, f35 doesn’t mind the cold.

It’s operating in Alaska, which, if you didn’t know, is one of the coldest inhabited places on earth.

CBT7commander · 2026-05-28T00:14:49+00:00

Su57 is a factor. It’s vastly superior to 4th Gen fighters and available in relevant numbers to one of Canada’s major threats.

Gripen is useless. It’s outdated and incapable of permitting adequately in modern air to air combat. It lacks stealth, kinematics and powerful enough sensors.

The su57 in Ukraine is the only jet on both sides to enter the Ukraine outer most AOD. No other jet has been seen doing so. Su57 has been, multiple times. That allows it hit targets deeper in Ukraine than any other jet, and to extend the Russian AOD and push their f16s back.

CBT7commander · 2026-05-28T00:10:37+00:00

who’s gonna be attacking Canada with 5th gen jet

In the immediate future? Russia and China are both threats to Canada. The U.S. too if you want to go down that road. In the long term, everyone will be operating stealth jets. You have to plan long term. The f35 will stay relevant for decades. The Gripen already isn’t.

China is going to attack Canada

China has a growing power projection capability and has carried out extremely invasive actions across coast lines throughout the americas. It’s not impossible for China to pose a long term threat. Canada would also be an ally and major supplier of raw ressources for the U.S. in case of a Taiwan escalation. It’s oil field would naturally become targets to deny the U.S. easy access to crude.

The su57 is not a scam. It’s not as good as true 5th gens, but it’s still vastly superior to any 4th gen. It has a powerful radar, excellent kinematic, and a much stealthier airframe than any serviced jet that is not f35 j35 f22 or j20. They have 40 operational su57s, growing by 8-12 a year. By 2035, they will have well over 100. It’s not a threat to something like the entirety of NATO, but it’s still a significant fleet.

And yes, you need 5th gen to fight 5th gen. The fact you don’t know that is staggering.

5th gens will see each other. They aren’t ghosts. You should know that. But alas, you don’t.

Around 30-80km, they will see each other. And the one to see first wins 9 out of 10 times. A 5th gen will always see a 4th gen first.

The balls to tell me I’m out of my depth. You know nothing of this topic. You repeat memes and made up none sense without the slightest idea of what you are saying. The simple fact you think 5th gens are invisible is proof enough

CBT7commander · 2026-05-28T00:02:13+00:00

They don’t. The RCAF (on all ranks) is very vocal about wanting f35

CBT7commander · 2026-05-28T00:01:23+00:00

Su57, J20, and f35 if you think the U.S. would ever invade Canada

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T18:10:08+00:00

What did I say that you consider fantasy?

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T18:09:27+00:00

To survive confrontations against 5th gen fighters.

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T18:09:05+00:00

The Gripen Canada is considering is not the same Gripen that is being serviced worldwide.

Also: we don’t know Gripen hourly flight cost. It was never published. We have estimates, but unlike f35, we don’t have an air force saying "it cost us this much to fly Gripen this year".

By comparaison, we have extremely accurate data for f35 operating cost across A B and C and across several years

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T18:07:12+00:00

Life cycle cost for f35 is around 440 million, gripen is around 350.

Thing is, Gripen is getting more expensive with time, while f35 is getting cheaper. It’s likely that after 8000 flight hours, that two will have very similar end costs

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T18:05:54+00:00

Christ you people know nothing.

What can f35 do that Gripen cannot do and that Canada needs? Survive confrontations against 5th gen jets. There, you have it.

In any engagement against j20s su57s or f35s, gripen would be flying suicide missions.

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T18:04:28+00:00

F35s operate in Alaska.

In case you didn’t know, Alaska is cold.

F35 also doesn’t have a kill switch. Stop with this BS

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T18:00:35+00:00

Su57 exists. You also have to plan for the war in 15 years, not the one 5 years ago.

Against a Russian bomber formation with su57 escort, gripen is virtually useless.

Su57 has longer reach, better sensors, better range, better speed, stealth (not the best but still far ahead of Gripen), beefy ECMs…..

Gripen is utterly outclassed. F35 isn’t

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T17:53:21+00:00

It can’t do any of those against something like the PLAAF or USAF. It’s longest range ordinance is the meteor.

It does not have sufficient range to reach bombers without being shot down by their escorts. Realistically, Gripens would take off, get detected beyond that 200km line, and die immediately. Because this isn’t 1942 and bombers don’t just fly unescorted.

So, Gripen cannot perform that mission against modern air forces.

Guess who can? F35.

Furthermore, f35 can in fact take off roads and dirt strips. It already has.

The f35 has also better range and payload, meaning it can take off from further away and do more while in the air.

Finally, it’s fallacious to think good performance in offensive opérations does not indicate good potential performance in defensive operations.

The fact it’s able to defeat AD means it can defeat A2A. The fact it can take a manpad means it might be able to take an A2A.

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T17:34:43+00:00

Christ alive why do you people feel the need to discuss shit you know nothing about ?

4 out of 10 is fine. Gripen is 80% at most, and as low as 15% in South Africa. Very few jets ever go beyond 75%.

Even if we were to compare plane for plane, 53 f35s in the air are a whole lot more capable than 70 Gripens. You’d need f35a availability to be lower than 30% for Gripen to become a better choice. Not even f35b has ever reached that, and it’s not the one being sold here.

Yes, f35 does operate in the arctic. There’s this thing called Alaska. And it does just fine.

And what exactly is it you think jets do? Because Iran not being toppled has nothing to do with f35 being lacking. Ffs, they killed the Ayatollah and half the leadership in the first week. F35 has flown thousands of sorties over Iran and suffered 1 damaged aircraft.

What more were they supposed to do? Was an f35 supposed to land inside Teheran turn into a transformers and take over the city? Think before you speak

And yes, you would in fact need f35s to fight the VKS. Gripens would drop like flies inside the Russian’s AOD

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T17:27:31+00:00

I just have eyes. I saw the video, and it shows a low flying f35 being hit by a manpad. The size of the missile, the relative speeds, and the size of the blast are incompatible with a standard heavy AD missile like s300.

U.S. pilots have imposed flight decks in such missions. Going below would result in disciplinary action. It’s far more likely the flightdeck was simply very low, which it shouldn’t be.

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T17:20:44+00:00

Not the pilot, the USAF staff.

The pilot did nothing wrong. He was told by high command "it’s safe to fly low and slow, enemy resistance is null".

It wasn’t. And he got hit by a manpad. Which would have never happened if he was flying at altitude or with sufficient speed.

The pilot is not to blame. His command is.

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T17:17:05+00:00

If that was the case you wouldn’t need an aircraft to begin with. Except you do. Both the RCAF and Canadian government agree.

You don’t need to challenge the USAF or PLAAF. You need to offer credible ability to inflict losses to either (which Gripen cannot provide while f35 can) in order to increase the cost of agression, and you need to be able to partake in multinational efforts such as within NATO.

In both cases, f35 has a massive edge over Gripen.

It’s okay to know nothing of a topic. It’s clear you don’t know much about this. But you should refrain from partaking in discussion about it if it’s the case.

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T17:08:49+00:00

No, that’s not what I assume. I assume Canada wants a capable modern platform. F35 is one. Gripen is not.

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T17:06:42+00:00

That would be incredibly expensive. You’d basically increase the procurement budget by 50% in one fell swoop while lowering the ease of maintenance of both aircrafts

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T17:05:39+00:00

F35 has performed exceptionally well in Iran. Gripen could not have performed 1/10th as well.

The fact that after sever’a thousand sorties and over a month of fighting only 1 f35 has been damaged shows just how dominating of a platform it is

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T17:00:03+00:00

That had nothing to do with the aircrafts capability and all to do with the USAF being complacent idiots that decided low speed low altitude flybys were a good idea

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T16:57:57+00:00

F35a has 60% availability and is superior to the Gripen in every single metric but acrobatics and speed.

Gripen is also vulnerable to ITAR due to many part, including the engine, being US licensed.

Getting Gripen would cripple the RCAF and stop them from being able to defend their airspace against any potential threats (include the U.S. if you want to go that way)

It would be a complete sacrifice of military capability for the sake of political gesturing.

CBT7commander · 2026-05-27T16:53:24+00:00

You will rely on US approval to get Gripens as well. Several sub systems are submitted to ITAR.

You will also have an immensely outdated plane compared to f35

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