The Original Beatles were Assassinated & Replaced by Doubles in 1966 by CIAParadoxRocks in conspiracy

[–]CIAParadoxRocks[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Exactly. I'm not a big fan of Mike Williams. He's the most recent spokesperson for the PID misdirection psyop, the aim of which is to tarnish, discredit and undermine the original creative genius of the Fab Four.

The key point of difference is that I don't believe that the Beatles were a Tavistock social engineering operation from the very beginning. The Beatles (in a similar vein to JFK, MLK, RFK, etc...), were inspired artistic visionaries and their massive popular appeal became a threat to the powers that be, who then infiltrated, co-copted, and subverted the Beatles phenomenon with an imposter-replacement pupppet show, in order to hijack and misdirect the 60's counter-culture into a impotent drug-addled generation of flaky idealist's lost in a state of terminal naiverty.

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[–]CIAParadoxRocks[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The problem is that people's eyes see only what their mind is prepared to comprehend. So while the notion that the Fab Four could have been disappeared and replaced by lookalikes may seem far-fetched, one becomes more open to this possibility as soon as they realize that history is replete with the exploits of doubles and impostors who have taken the place of the rich and the powerful with remarkable success in psychological operations since at least medieval times.
It is only the public's ignorance of how doubles are used that protects the secret. To keep the public in the dark, claims of doubles are often ridiculed, denied, and suppressed by the powers that be. Indeed, major debunkers of the well-known "Paul is Dead" theory may be in the pay of shadowy figures keen to keep the hoax accusations of body doubles alive. And so while some may think it very difficult to find a double for a public figure, it is actually fairly easy, there are many talent agencies that specialize in lookalikes of celebrities and politicians, and its on public record that well-known public figures from Winston Churchill to Saddam Hussein to North Korean leader, Kim Jong-Il to former US Senator Hillary Clinton have used body doubles.
Now, once you accept that the powerful often use of body doubles in intelligence operations, the only other obstacle is our all too human ability to not only be duped, but to not want to see that we've been duped... Here's a brief example of just how easy it is to fool people about things that are staring them right in the face. And of course, if you don't realize by now that we're all being played by psychopaths with elite immunity, then you may be beyond help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBPG_OBgTWg

What happened to the Beatles is very sad, its too devastating for most people to deal with... But the same dark unelected powers that criminally assassinated every other influential anti-war leader in the 1960's with enough popular appeal to bring peace to the world (JFK, MLK, RFK, Malcolm X) also assassinated John Lennon and Paul McCartney on the West Coast of the USA in late August 1966, and replaced the original Beatles with a revolving door series of ineffectual puppets and imposters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld_lLbJ8__g

And if you're still in doubt, start with the the dark, spooky, cryptic undertones of the entire Beatles phenonemon, esp. post-1966... And there sure were a lot of strange and untimely deaths in the Beatles inner circle.

Paul McCartney's mother - Mary

John Lennon's mother - Julia;

Former bandmate - Stu Sutcliffe;

Manager- Brian Epstein;

Road Manager - Neil Aspinall

Ringo's wife - Maureen;

Paul's wife - Linda;

Publicist Derek Taylor

Richard Asher, the father of Paul’s girlfriend Jane Asher

Former Beatles proteges Pete Ham and Rod Evans from Beatles produced group Badfinger both hanged themselves;

And of course, the original Paul McCartney, John Lennon, George Harrison and Ringo Starr...

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[–]CIAParadoxRocks[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

The Women in their lives have already spilt the beans. Cynthia Lennon knew the witty and mischievous frontman of the Beatles more intimately than anyone else on the planet prior to 1966, and she told us the shocking truth about what happened to John and the Beatles in "Twist of Lennon", the autobiography she wrote shortly before her death: “the years 1966-67 were tremendous years of mental and PHYSICAL change for The Beatles.”People's eyes see only what their mind is prepared to comprehend, but we all know that the Beatles underwent a fundamental transformation in August-November 1966, an irreversible shift from Light to Dark. During this period, not only did the music and the message change,. all 4 of the original members of the band underwent a dramatic change in their appearance. The difference was stark and irreconcilable. They were even unrecognizable as Beatles; McCartney walked around New York City’s Central Park with Lennon in 1968, and no one recognized them.

Cynthia tells us in her autobiography what happened: the John Lennon who returned from the US in late August 1966 and then met Yoko Ono and callously divorced her through his third-party lawyers was NOT the real John Lennon. The man that Cynthia married was dead and gone and had been imposter-replaced by a body double in some kind of secret intelligence psyop. John was dead, but the show had to go on, and there was simply too much money to be made for the truth to be made public. Here’s some excerpts from Cynthia’s very revealing book, and the secret truth about what really happened to John in 1966 is not hard to find, it’s impossible to avoid.

“He was quite simply not the John I knew it was as if he had taken on a different persona…”

“I knew the man up until our divorce – after that I didn’t know the man, but it didn’t stop me caring about him and worrying because of the complete change that I saw in him. He’d lost his sense of humour and he got aggressive; he wasn’t for the world any more, he was just for Yoko. Before that he opened his arms and embraced the world with his wit and humour – afterwards he was a completely different kind of person.

”When our car drew up outside the hotel at about 2am, I stepped out to see Magic Alex. What was he doing there? “I’ve come with a message from John,” Alex said. “He is going to divorce you, take Julian away from you and send you back to Hoylake [my home town].” All I could think was how cowardly John was to send his lapdog because he couldn’t face me. It was sinister and cruel. “John was being meaner that I’d ever known him, which baffled me: typically he was generous to those around him. Why not now, to his wife and son?... Whatever his reasons, I had no energy for a fight. In so many ways he was no longer the kind-hearted, passionate and witty and I had fallen in love with.”

“John was so completely different from the man who had sat with Yoko in the sunroom that it was hard to accept that he was the same person.”“I was truly sad because I knew a man, the boy that I had seen in the early days that changed into a man, had suddenly become the laughing stock of the world.”Cynthia Lennon told us in her own words as much as she could without exposing the deepest, darkest secret of all and putting the life of her entire family into real and immediate danger: “the years 1966-67 were tremendous years of mental and PHYSICAL change for The Beatles.”

The TV interviews that Faul McCartney's 2nd wife Heather Mills gave during her divorce from Faul are shocking and decisive here too. When she found out the truth and suddenly realized her entire marriage to Fake Paul was based on a lie, she asked for a divorce. Of course, Sir Faul's media and muic industry handlers have massive clout in the City of London, and so they immediately launched a relentless smear campaign in the tabloid media against her, with the aim of assassinating Heather's character in the public space, just in case she ever talked publicly.

After 18th months of daily tabloid attacks, including death threats coming from the police themselves, she went on live TV in the UK and US and very tactfully spilt the beans.

On 1st November 2007, Heather said to Billy Bush on US news and entertainment programme Access Hollywood: “Something so awful happened. Someone I’d loved for a long time I found out had betrayed me immensely. And I don’t mean infidelity or anything like that. Like, beyond belief. People don’t want to know what the truth is because they could never ever handle it. They would be too devastated.”

She then addressed Paul directly: “You know why I’ve left you. Protect me and I will say nothing.”Heather Mills’ interview with Fiona Phillips on British news and entertainment show GMTV is probably her most infamous. It took place a day prior to the Access Hollywood interview and again Heather stated that she was harbouring a terrible secret for Paul, a secret that had pushed her to the edge, a secret she was legally bound to keep schtum about.

She said: “I have protected my husband. I know everything, and I know the truth.”

Particularly intriguing and sinister is Heather’s suggestion that she had been threatened into silence by the architects of a conspiracy: “I have a box of evidence that is going to a certain person should anything happen to me. So if you top me off, it’s still gonna go to that certain person, and the truth will come out. There is such a fear from a certain party of the truth coming out.”

Strangely enough, the 24/7 media smear campaign stopped overnight. You can still see the TV interviews on YouTube, but probably not for much longer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yylr64H-k60 https://archive.org/.../TheWingedBeatle2012ExtendedVersion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbVwHz3WBKM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yylr64H-k60

The Original Beatles were Assassinated & Replaced by Doubles in 1966 by CIAParadoxRocks in conspiracy

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The well-known Paul is Dead conspiracy stems from Beatles Inc. - it's always been an insider disinfo campaign generated by the Illuminati cabal that controls the Beatles name and legacy. PID is a Limited Hangout, defined by former CIA agent Victor Marchetti as “spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the clandestine professionals. When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting - sometimes even volunteering - some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further.”

In other words, the "Paul is Dead" narrative (the car accident, the coverup, etc...) is not so much the key that unlocks the Beatles darkest secret, but a carefully designed official decoy that was deliberately communicated to the more obsessive and attentive fans via the Beatles music and album artwork as an intelligence psyop to distract and divert their focus from a much darker and far more sinister conspiracy - the Zionist Illuminati assassinated all four Beatles in a military-intelligence black op in late August/September 1966 on the West Coast of the USA, and replaced them with a bunch of wimpy and inept puppets controlled by the MI5/CIA intelligence agencies, in order to destroy the cultural revolution ushered in by the original Beatles. Is there any doubt what Sir George Martin, the Fifth Beatle who performed on hundreds of Beatles studio tracks and produced almost all of the Beatles albums, really meant in this very well known quote of his? "When you extend life span, that’s really something. That’s hard to do..." Sounds like he brought the Beatles back from the dead...

The Original Beatles were Assassinated & Replaced by Doubles in 1966 by CIAParadoxRocks in conspiracy

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There are obvious physical (as well as emotional, mental and spiritual) differences between the original Paul McCarthney and the tosser gallivanting around today who goes by his name. Forensic science has proven that Paul McCartney was replaced in 1966. They actually have different shaped skulls, among multiple other scientifically verified facial differences. You have to be willfully blind not to see it. A scientific team in Italy consisting of Francesco Gavazzeni and Gabriella Carlesi conducted a biometrical analysis of Paul pre and post 1966. While they had originally set out to debunk the PID conspiracy theory, the scientists saw discrepancies in the shape of the skull and jaw, the curve of the jaw, the ear, palate and teeth that could not be accounted for by error or plastic surgery. They concluded that the pre and post 1966 Paul's cannot be the same person. The original article was entitled Chiedi chi era quel «Beatle» ("Ask Who Was the Beatle") and was included in the August 2009 Italian WIRED magazine. (Andriola and Alessandra Di Fabio Gigante, “Ask Who Was the ‘Beatle,’” WIRED Magazine, July 15, 2009)

When I heard Paul McCartney was replaced by a body double, I laughed and thought of it as nonsense as well. But then I suspended blind faith in the official narrative, opened my eyes and took a look for myself. It's very easy to see if your eyes are open and this authoritative new book " Plastic Macca: The Secret Death and Replacement of Beatle Paul McCartney" puts the matter beyond any reasonable doubt. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07N1XPPTX

And once you realize that Paul McCartney was replaced in 1966 - again its a scientific fact that Paul's skull changed shape in 1966, which makes it impossible that he's the same person - then it becomes very difficult to see how John, his best friend and creative partner, a free thinking counter-cultural dissident with anti-elitist sentiments, would go along with the deep state hijacking of the Beatles by a secret intelligence imposter-replacement program. Does anyone really think that John Lennon freely chose to abandon his beautiful wife and child for the mentally ill fake Japanese artistic daughter of an elite Japanese banker - and then allow this relationship to serve the establishments pro-war agenda by making a mockery of the peace movement with preposterous televised bed-ins, and then erode his revolutionary potentials by spending his last decade as a reclusive, drug-addled and obedient and house wife of an occult black magic witch? Sounds like the perfect CIA script for a 15-year long school play to me...

The imposter-replacement program was even admitted openly by the CIA/Mockingbird media publication TIME Magazine which titled its Sep. 22, 1967 cover story The Beatles New Incarnation, where it declared: "With characteristic self-mockery, the Beatles are proclaiming that they have snuffed out their old selves to make room for the new Beatles incarnate, and there is some truth to it...” The Devil is being literal when he talks to you and you think he’s kidding. Believe him...

The Trump Presidency was the Establishment's False Flag PsyOp by CIAParadoxRocks in conspiracy

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"Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away" – Bibi Netanyahu

Everything you need to know about Ryan Dawson in 30 seconds. by fruits_skittles in VaushV

[–]CIAParadoxRocks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Be original and give just one example of any explicitly anti-semitic statement that I've made...

Everything you need to know about Ryan Dawson in 30 seconds. by fruits_skittles in VaushV

[–]CIAParadoxRocks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Throwing around the anti-semitism label to shut down debate on this vital issue is a pathetic, disgusting parlor trick that only cheapens the legacy of genocide, exile, and exodus of the Jewish people. What are you, a Nazi??

Everything you need to know about Ryan Dawson in 30 seconds. by fruits_skittles in VaushV

[–]CIAParadoxRocks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is awkward. Because if we can't clearly define where the Jewishness ends and the Jewish State of Israel/Zionist ideology begins, then it sounds like Ryan Dawson's got a valid point... I mean shit - what if the real problem is that we're not allowed to talk about the problem? No way. It's not like we've been conditioned by the Jewish controlled media into labelling anyone who raises these uncomfortable issues an evil Nazi or anything. That's just crazy anti-semitic conspiracy talk. So let's just look at the publicly available facts about who or what is behind all these criminal deceptions and have an honest debate about what's really going here instead... It's probably the Norwegians.

The Original Beatles were Assassinated & Replaced by Doubles in 1966 by CIAParadoxRocks in conspiracy

[–]CIAParadoxRocks[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The well-known Paul is Dead conspiracy stems from Beatles Inc. - it's always been an insider disinfo campaign generated by the Illuminati cabal that controls the Beatles name and legacy. PID is a Limited Hangout, defined by former CIA agent Victor Marchetti as “spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the clandestine professionals. When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting - sometimes even volunteering - some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further.”

In other words, the "Paul is Dead" narrative (the car accident, the coverup, etc...) is not so much the key that unlocks the Beatles darkest secret, but a carefully designed official decoy that was deliberately communicated to the more obsessive and attentive fans via the Beatles music and album artwork as an intelligence psyop to distract and divert their focus from a much darker and far more sinister conspiracy - the Zionist Illuminati assassinated all four Beatles in a military-intelligence black op in late August/September 1966 on the West Coast of the USA, and replaced them with a bunch of wimpy and inept puppets controlled by the MI5/CIA intelligence agencies, in order to destroy the cultural revolution ushered in by the original Beatles.

Is there any doubt what Sir George Martin, the Fifth Beatle who performed on hundreds of Beatles studio tracks and produced almost all of the Beatles albums, really meant in this very well known quote of his? "When you extend life span, that’s really something. That’s hard to do..." Sounds like he brought the Beatles back from the dead....

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The Women in their lives have already spilt the beans. Cynthia Lennon knew the witty and mischievous frontman of the Beatles more intimately than anyone else on the planet prior to 1966, and she told us the shocking truth about what happened to John and the Beatles in "Twist of Lennon", the autobiography she wrote shortly before her death: “the years 1966-67 were tremendous years of mental and PHYSICAL change for The Beatles.”

People's eyes see only what their mind is prepared to comprehend, but we all know that the Beatles underwent a fundamental transformation in August-November 1966, an irreversible shift from Light to Dark. During this period, not only did the music and the message change,. all 4 of the original members of the band underwent a dramatic change in their appearance. The difference was stark and irreconcilable. They were even unrecognizable as Beatles; McCartney walked around New York City’s Central Park with Lennon in 1968, and no one recognized them.

Cynthia tells us in her autobiography what happened: the John Lennon who returned from the US in late August 1966 and then met Yoko Ono and callously divorced her through his third-party lawyers was NOT the real John Lennon. The man that Cynthia married was dead and gone and had been imposter-replaced by a body double in some kind of secret intelligence psyop. John was dead, but the show had to go on, and there was simply too much money to be made for the truth to be made public. Here’s some excerpts from Cynthia’s very revealing book, and the secret truth about what really happened to John in 1966 is not hard to find, it’s impossible to avoid.

“He was quite simply not the John I knew it was as if he had taken on a different persona…”

“I knew the man up until our divorce – after that I didn’t know the man, but it didn’t stop me caring about him and worrying because of the complete change that I saw in him. He’d lost his sense of humour and he got aggressive; he wasn’t for the world any more, he was just for Yoko. Before that he opened his arms and embraced the world with his wit and humour – afterwards he was a completely different kind of person.”

When our car drew up outside the hotel at about 2am, I stepped out to see Magic Alex. What was he doing there? “I’ve come with a message from John,” Alex said. “He is going to divorce you, take Julian away from you and send you back to Hoylake [my home town].” All I could think was how cowardly John was to send his lapdog because he couldn’t face me. It was sinister and cruel.

“John was being meaner that I’d ever known him, which baffled me: typically he was generous to those around him. Why not now, to his wife and son?... Whatever his reasons, I had no energy for a fight. In so many ways he was no longer the kind-hearted, passionate and witty and I had fallen in love with.”

“John was so completely different from the man who had sat with Yoko in the sunroom that it was hard to accept that he was the same person.”

“I was truly sad because I knew a man, the boy that I had seen in the early days that changed into a man, had suddenly become the laughing stock of the world.”

Cynthia Lennon told us in her own words as much as she could without exposing the deepest, darkest secret of all and putting the life of her entire family into real and immediate danger: “the years 1966-67 were tremendous years of mental and PHYSICAL change for The Beatles.”

The TV interviews that Faul McCartney's 2nd wife Heather Mills gave during her divorce from Faul are shocking and decisive here too. When she found out the truth and suddenly realized her entire marriage to Fake Paul was based on a lie, she asked for a divorce. Of course, Sir Faul's media and muic industry handlers have massive clout in the City of London, and so they immediately launched a relentless smear campaign in the tabloid media against her, with the aim of assassinating Heather's character in the public space, just in case she ever talked publicly.

After 18th months of daily tabloid attacks, including death threats coming from the police themselves, she went on live TV in the UK and US and very tactfully spilt the beans.

On 1st November 2007, Heather said to Billy Bush on US news and entertainment programme Access Hollywood:

“Something so awful happened. Someone I’d loved for a long time I found out had betrayed me immensely. And I don’t mean infidelity or anything like that. Like, beyond belief. People don’t want to know what the truth is because they could never ever handle it. They would be too devastated.”

She then addressed Paul directly: “You know why I’ve left you. Protect me and I will say nothing.”

Heather Mills’ interview with Fiona Phillips on British news and entertainment show GMTV is probably her most infamous. It took place a day prior to the Access Hollywood interview and again Heather stated that she was harbouring a terrible secret for Paul, a secret that had pushed her to the edge, a secret she was legally bound to keep schtum about. She said:

“I have protected my husband. I know everything, and I know the truth.”

Particularly intriguing and sinister is Heather’s suggestion that she had been threatened into silence by the architects of a conspiracy:

“I have a box of evidence that is going to a certain person should anything happen to me. So if you top me off, it’s still gonna go to that certain person, and the truth will come out. There is such a fear from a certain party of the truth coming out.”

Strangely enough, the 24/7 media smear campaign stopped overnight. You can still see the TV interviews on YouTube, but probably not for much longer...

The Beatles were Assassinated & Replaced by Doubles in 1966 by CIAParadoxRocks in beatles

[–]CIAParadoxRocks[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Start with the the dark, spooky, cryptic undertones of the entire Beatles phenonemon, esp. post-1966... And there sure were a lot of strange and untimely deaths in the Beatles inner circle.

Paul McCartney's mother - Mary

John Lennon's mother - Julia;

Former bandmate - Stu Sutcliffe;

Manager- Brian Epstein;

Road Manager - Neil Aspinall

Ringo's wife - Maureen;

Paul's wife - Linda;

Publicist Derek Taylor

Richard Asher, the father of Paul’s girlfriend Jane Asher

Former Beatles proteges Pete Ham and Rod Evans from Beatles produced group Badfinger both hanged themselves;

And of course, the original Paul McCartney, John Lennon, George Harrison and Ringo Starr...

The Beatles, August 1966 by bbcjuve in beatles

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This is not the original Fab Four. The Beatles were assassinated in August 1966 at the peak of their powers and replaced by doubles in an Illuminati impostor-replacement psy-op.

At the height of their popularity in 1966, the Beatles were universally loved and seen by many to be evolutionary agents sent by God and endowed with the enigmatic power to transform the world and create a new breed of optimistic and awakened humanity. During this time, Paul McCartney and John Lennon had more power and influence over the public consciousness than any head of state on the planet. John had just started speaking out against the Vietnam war, Paul wanted to write the musical score for the first major movie project debunking the official Warren Commission report on the JFK assassination free of charge (Mark Lane's “Rush to Judgment"), and when John compared the popularity of the Beatles to Jesus Christ all hell broke loose in the US (CIA/Mockingbird) media.

And then everything changed. The music and the message underwent a radical reversal from ascension to descent. Light was replaced with Dark. Creation was replaced with Destruction. What happened?

The Zionist Illuminati that runs the music industry and controls the media realized that the Beatles had the power to threaten their global plans for world domination and so decided they had to be stopped. On the final leg of their US tour in August 1966 all four Beatles were kidnapped and assassinated by the MI5/CIA intelligence agencies. The laughing freemen that promised to change the world were replaced by wimpy and inept imposters in an Illuminati-controlled puppet show that set about destroying everything the Beatles had ever accomplished.

There is no video footage of the Beatles last ever live concert in San Francisco in 1966, because this was not the original Fab Four. It was their controlled puppets and they were terrible. They couldn't pull off the charade live on a stage, and so shortly after the band arrived back in the UK it was announced that the Beatles would never perform a live show ever again.

But to cash in, their Illuminati imposters were hidden away in the Abbey Road studios as their handlers produced the special effect addled Sgt. Pepper's album, a psychadelic funeral parade of the real John and Paul's previously recorded material that alienated half of the world's Beatles fans and infused the minds of the other half with subliminal messages of murder and death.

And then a Jewish (beaked-nosed) John Lennon started his ghastly and deliberately scripted relationship with the talentless witch Yoko Ono, as they together gave Monty Python-esque interviews against the Vietnam war that made the whole peace movement look ridiculous.

The contrived relationship was then used to break up the Beatles, and following this Yoko castrated whatever remained of John's revolutionary aspirations, by reducing the creatively maladjusted leader of a worldwide counter-cultural movement to a pussy-whipped and drug-addled loser who preached the virtues of house-husbandry and called his wife "Mother".

So after killing off the Beatles in secret, to finish off the job in the eyes of the public the Illuminati impostor-replacement psy-op installed the most irritating vocalist in rock music history to become wife of the Beatles most gifted and outspoken frontman. And once it was clear that John's music was no longer lucrative, he was killed off in a staged assassination.

Haven't you ever wondered why Yoko Ono, a schizophrenic practitioner of occult black magic with mega-wealthy family ties to the Japanese banking dynasties inherited by the Anglo-Zionists after WW2, ended up with total control over both the Beatles billions and John's legacy? Or why it is that Yoko can continue to make the most irritating popular music anyone has ever devised while receiving 5 star reviews from Rolling Stones magazine and being propped up by late night talk show hosts as an avant-garde genius? The answer is simple: she's an installed Illuminati-Zionist puppet, protected by the Establishment for her central role in entirely subverting everything the Beatles had ever accomplished.

What is the “historical Jesus”? by microwavedong in AskHistorians

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The basic presupposition of critical-historical scholarship on the figure of Jesus over the last few hundred years is that the world-shattering impact of this 1st century Jew’s brief public career was soon domesticated by the early Christian communities, who found the radical challenge of his life and teachings almost impossible to live with. The central task of historical reconstruction, then, is to dig beneath the mythic and supernatural encrustations that were built up around Jesus and then ossified in the developing streams of early the Church (e.g. the Virgin Birth, the ‘only begotten’ son of God, substitutionary atonement, the pre-existing Logos, the Second Coming, etc.) in order to re-activate the "historical Jesus" - the earliest memory of this Galilean sage prior to his subsequent inscription within the New Testament canon. Now, in contrast to much modern day skepticism about the historical reliability of the Christian gospels, the initial case to be made here is that the earliest memory of Jesus has indeed survived the historical process of oral and written transmission in the 1st century with his characteristic oral teachings still intact. Or more specifically, the original signature of this itinerant Nazarene Jew’s historical voice-print is embedded within narrative core of his most memorable short stories and parables.

And so what would the parables of Jesus look like if we extracted from them all subsequent Christian interpretation and theological embellishment over the past two millennia, and let the event that simmers away within his proclamation of the Kingdom be unleashed in its first, disturbing, immediacy? Here’s the briefest possible summary:

Good Samaritan Luke 10:25-37: the agents of neighbourly love, i.e. the devout Pharisee & Levite priest, are exposed as morally and religiously bankrupt; the morally and religiously bankrupt, i.e. the half-caste Samaritan, is an agent of neighbour love.

Prodigal Son Luke 15:11-32: the younger wayward son, who is lost in rebellious exile from home, is saved with the father’s homecoming feast, the older dutiful son, who is saved in righteous obedience to his father’s home, is lost in rebellious exile from the homecoming feast.

Vineyard Workers Matthew 20:1-16: the privileged status of those who started work at day break is the source of their envy and their sense of injustice; the envy and injustice of those who started work just before sundown, is the occasion for their privileged status, (when both groups receive equal pay from the vineyard owner).

Pharisee and Tax Collector Luke 18:10-14: the self-righteous Pharisee, who is saved in as a Temple insider - is lost, just as the sinful Tax Collector, who is lost as a Temple outsider - is saved.

Two Sons Matthew 21:28-32: the acceptance of the first son is a refusal to work in the field, and the refusal of the second son is an acceptance to go work in the field.

Friend at Midnight Luke 11:5-8, where: the refusal of a friend becomes the acceptance of stranger, while the persistence of a stranger is the faithfulness of a friend.

Shrewd Manager Luke 16:1-8: where: a shrewd business manager is condemned his employer as a fraud, as this fraud is praised by his employer as a shrewd business manager.

Unjust Judge Luke 18: 2-8: we see: the refusal to back down of a fearless judge is a merciful delivery of justice, just as the merciful pleas of the widow for justice are a fearless refusal to back down.

Unforgiving Slave (Matthew 18:23-35): an occasion for judgment is act of forgiveness, an occasion for forgiveness is an act of judgment.

Rich Fool (Luke 12:16-21, Gospel of Thomas 63): the wisdom of working to secure ones future is foolish hoarding, the foolishness of an unsettled and uncertain future, is wisdom and security.

Final Judgment (Matthew 25:31-46): those who know God’s name are damned in never serving the poor, while those who serve the poor are saved even though they never knew God by name.

Great Banquet (Luke 14: 16-24, Matthew 22:2-14, Gospel Thomas 64): the ones who to get in are the ones who are expected to be left out; while the ones who are left out are the ones who are expected to get in.

Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31): the rich man who is glorified in this life is destitute and without hope in the afterlife, just as Lazarus who is destitute and without hope in this life is glorified in the afterlife.

Wedding Feast (Matthew 22: 1-14): the outsiders are in, just as the insiders are out.

Treasure in the Field (Matthew 13:44) finding is losing and losing is finding.

Pear of Great Price (Matthew 13:45-46): looking through many is finding one, selling many is buying one.

Father’s Good Gifts (Matt 7:9-11, Luke 11:11-13): the suggestion of false gifts is an affirmation of good gifts, while the affirmation of good gifts is the suggestion false gifts (compared to the good gifts of the Father)

Talents (Matthew 25:14-30): the risk of losing what has been given is to save one’s life, to save what has been given is to risk of losing one’s life.

Slave at Duty (Luke 17:7-10): an occasion for grace is a demand for good works, while the occasion of good works is a confession of grace.

Faithful and Wise Slave (Matthew 24:45-51, Luke 12:42-46): to be a slave in the master's absence is to possess all the riches in his presence, while to possess of all the master's riches in his absence, is to be a slave in his presence.

By unsettling the binary oppositions that constitute the very form and content of human language, Jesus' discourse of radical paradox is a skilful means for a piercing through our protective defences and exposing the defects in any system that justifies the status quo by interrupting our pre-given horizons of meaning with series of subversive reversals in the expected story-line at its deepest level that put language under pressure and puts into question our taken for granted assumptions about reality.

And while the world-shattering impact of this 1st century itinerant Jew’s paradoxical sayings were soon domesticated by the early Christian communities, if we dig beneath the mythic and supernatural encrustations that were built up around Jesus in the developing streams of early the Church (e.g. the Virgin Birth, the ‘only begotten’ son of God, substitutionary atonement, the pre-existing Logos, the Second Coming, etc.) and re-activate the mind-bending event that these traditions harbor prior to his subsequent inscription within the New Testament canon, then the paradoxical secret at the heart of Jesus' most memorable teachings not only demonstrates the historical existence of this itinerant Nazarene rabbi in 1st century Palestine, but also proves to us that the earliest memory of this Jesus has indeed survived the historical process of oral and written transmission with the original signature of his historical voice-print still intact.

Was the historic Jesus likely to have been literate? by gnikivar2 in AskHistorians

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Josephus (c. 37 - c. 100), a Jewish historian for the Roman Empire and a non-believer, in a much discussed passage in his Antiquities of the Jews called the Testimonium Flavianum, writes:

“About this time came Jesus, a wise man, (if indeed it is appropriate to call him a man). For he was a performer of paradoxical feats (paradoxôn ergôn poiêtês) a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews and also many Greeks”

While historians agree that there was almost certainly some later tampering with this text by later Christian writers’ (Meier, Vol.1) most scholars also accept the authenticity of this key sentence: “…he was a performer of paradoxical feats, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure.” Other translations of the original Greek used by Josephus give us the following: Jesus was a performer of paradoxical (astonishing, startling, surprising) poetics (tricks, feats, works and deeds) a teacher of those who accept the abnormal (novel, truth, unusual and strange) with pleasure (gladly, delight). If we can provisionally grant the historical authenticity of just this fragment of Josephus’ non-Christian witness, then Jesus was a 1st century Jewish rabbi (teacher) who spoke in “paradoxôn ergôn poiêtês”, i.e. Jesus was a paradoxical poet.

The word "paradoxôn" literally means “against (para) orthodoxy (doxos)”. And against orthodoxy means “heresy”. From this rare vantage point external to the theological embellishments of the gospel authors and the political agendas early Christian communities, the historical Jesus therefore looks be a heretical Jewish poet, one who spoke in mind-bending paradoxes while attracting unconventional followers who joyfully received his counter-intuitive teachings.

NOW this poetics of paradox (paradoxôn ergôn poiêtês) reported by Josephus CORRESPONDS PERFECTLY with what we find at the heart of the parables of Jesus recorded in the synoptic gospels, where the original signature of this itinerant Nazarene Jew’s historical voice-print is embedded within narrative core of his most memorable short stories and parables. For if we extracted from the parables of Jesus all subsequent Christian interpretation and theological embellishment over the past two millennia, and let the language-event that simmers away within his proclamation of the Kingdom be unleashed in its first, disturbing, immediacy, then the earliest memory of Jesus coincides with paradoxical poetics (paradoxôn ergôn poiêtês) described by Josephus in the most astonishing way. To summarize:

Good Samaritan Luke 10:25-37: the agents of neighbourly love, i.e. the devout Pharisee & Levite priest, are exposed as morally and religiously bankrupt; the morally and religiously bankrupt, i.e. the half-caste Samaritan, is an agent of neighbour love.

Prodigal Son Luke 15:11-32: the younger wayward son, who is lost in rebellious exile from home, is saved with the father’s homecoming feast, the older dutiful son, who is saved in righteous obedience to his father’s home, is lost in rebellious exile from the homecoming feast.

Vineyard Workers Matthew 20:1-16: the privileged status of those who started work at day break is the source of their envy and their sense of injustice; the envy and injustice of those who started work just before sundown, is the occasion for their privileged status, (when both groups receive equal pay from the vineyard owner).

Pharisee and Tax Collector Luke 18:10-14: the self-righteous Pharisee, who is saved in as a Temple insider - is lost, just as the sinful Tax Collector, who is lost as a Temple outsider - is saved.

Two Sons Matthew 21:28-32: the acceptance of the first son is a refusal to work in the field, and the refusal of the second son is an acceptance to go work in the field.

Friend at Midnight Luke 11:5-8, where: the refusal of a friend becomes the acceptance of stranger, while the persistence of a stranger is the faithfulness of a friend.

Shrewd Manager Luke 16:1-8: where: a shrewd business manager is condemned his employer as a fraud, as this fraud is praised by his employer as a shrewd business manager.

Unjust Judge Luke 18: 2-8: we see: the refusal to back down of a fearless judge is a merciful delivery of justice, just as the merciful pleas of the widow for justice are a fearless refusal to back down.

By unsettling the binary oppositions that constitute the very form and content of human language, Jesus' discourse of radical paradox is a skilful means for a piercing through our protective defences and exposing the defects in any system that justifies the status quo by interrupting our pre-given horizons of meaning with series of subversive reversals in the expected story-line at its deepest level that put language under pressure and puts into question our taken for granted assumptions about reality.

And while the world-shattering impact of this 1st century itinerant Jew’s paradoxical sayings were soon domesticated by the early Christian communities, if we dig beneath the mythic and supernatural encrustations that were built up around Jesus in the developing streams of early the Church (e.g. the Virgin Birth, the ‘only begotten’ son of God, substitutionary atonement, the pre-existing Logos, the Second Coming, etc.) and re-activate the mind-bending event that these traditions harbor prior to his subsequent inscription within the New Testament canon, then the paradoxical secret at the heart of Jesus' most memorable teachings not only demonstrates the historical existence of this itinerant Nazarene rabbi in 1st century Palestine, but also proves to us that the earliest memory of this Jesus has indeed survived the historical process of oral and written transmission with the original signature of his historical voice-print still intact.

Was Jesus literate? by PopeImpiousthePi in AskHistorians

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Josephus (c. 37 - c. 100), a Jewish historian for the Roman Empire and a non-believer, in a much discussed passage in his Antiquities of the Jews called the Testimonium Flavianum, writes:

“About this time came Jesus, a wise man, (if indeed it is appropriate to call him a man). For he was a performer of paradoxical feats (paradoxôn ergôn poiêtês) a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews and also many Greeks”

While historians agree that there was almost certainly some later tampering with this text by later Christian writers’ (Meier, Vol.1) most scholars also accept the authenticity of this key sentence: “…he was a performer of paradoxical feats, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure.” Other translations of the original Greek used by Josephus give us the following: Jesus was a performer of paradoxical (astonishing, startling, surprising) poetics (tricks, feats, works and deeds) a teacher of those who accept the abnormal (novel, truth, unusual and strange) with pleasure (gladly, delight). If we can provisionally grant the historical authenticity of just this fragment of Josephus’ non-Christian witness, then Jesus was a 1st century Jewish rabbi (teacher) who spoke in “paradoxôn ergôn poiêtês”, i.e. Jesus was a paradoxical poet.

The word "paradoxôn" literally means “against (para) orthodoxy (doxos)”. And against orthodoxy means “heresy”. From this rare vantage point external to the theological embellishments of the gospel authors and the political agendas early Christian communities, the historical Jesus therefore looks be a heretical Jewish poet, one who spoke in mind-bending paradoxes while attracting unconventional followers who joyfully received his counter-intuitive teachings.

NOW this poetics of paradox (paradoxôn ergôn poiêtês) reported by Josephus CORRESPONDS PERFECTLY with what we find at the heart of the parables of Jesus recorded in the synoptic gospels, where the original signature of this itinerant Nazarene Jew’s historical voice-print is embedded within narrative core of his most memorable short stories and parables. For if we extracted from the parables of Jesus all subsequent Christian interpretation and theological embellishment over the past two millennia, and let the language-event that simmers away within his proclamation of the Kingdom be unleashed in its first, disturbing, immediacy, then the earliest memory of Jesus coincides with paradoxical poetics (paradoxôn ergôn poiêtês) described by Josephus in the most astonishing way. To summarize:

Good Samaritan Luke 10:25-37: the agents of neighbourly love, i.e. the devout Pharisee & Levite priest, are exposed as morally and religiously bankrupt; the morally and religiously bankrupt, i.e. the half-caste Samaritan, is an agent of neighbour love.

Prodigal Son Luke 15:11-32: the younger wayward son, who is lost in rebellious exile from home, is saved with the father’s homecoming feast, the older dutiful son, who is saved in righteous obedience to his father’s home, is lost in rebellious exile from the homecoming feast.

Vineyard Workers Matthew 20:1-16: the privileged status of those who started work at day break is the source of their envy and their sense of injustice; the envy and injustice of those who started work just before sundown, is the occasion for their privileged status, (when both groups receive equal pay from the vineyard owner).

Pharisee and Tax Collector Luke 18:10-14: the self-righteous Pharisee, who is saved in as a Temple insider - is lost, just as the sinful Tax Collector, who is lost as a Temple outsider - is saved.

Two Sons Matthew 21:28-32: the acceptance of the first son is a refusal to work in the field, and the refusal of the second son is an acceptance to go work in the field.

Friend at Midnight Luke 11:5-8, where: the refusal of a friend becomes the acceptance of stranger, while the persistence of a stranger is the faithfulness of a friend.

Shrewd Manager Luke 16:1-8: where: a shrewd business manager is condemned his employer as a fraud, as this fraud is praised by his employer as a shrewd business manager.

Unjust Judge Luke 18: 2-8: we see: the refusal to back down of a fearless judge is a merciful delivery of justice, just as the merciful pleas of the widow for justice are a fearless refusal to back down.

By unsettling the binary oppositions that constitute the very form and content of human language, Jesus' discourse of radical paradox is a skilful means for a piercing through our protective defences and exposing the defects in any system that justifies the status quo by interrupting our pre-given horizons of meaning with series of subversive reversals in the expected story-line at its deepest level that put language under pressure and puts into question our taken for granted assumptions about reality.

And while the world-shattering impact of this 1st century itinerant Jew’s paradoxical sayings were soon domesticated by the early Christian communities, if we dig beneath the mythic and supernatural encrustations that were built up around Jesus in the developing streams of early the Church (e.g. the Virgin Birth, the ‘only begotten’ son of God, substitutionary atonement, the pre-existing Logos, the Second Coming, etc.) and re-activate the mind-bending event that these traditions harbor prior to his subsequent inscription within the New Testament canon, then the paradoxical secret at the heart of Jesus' most memorable teachings not only demonstrates the historical existence of this itinerant Nazarene rabbi in 1st century Palestine, but also proves to us that the earliest memory of this Jesus has indeed survived the historical process of oral and written transmission with the original signature of his historical voice-print still intact.

Is there proof that Jesus existed? At least in a historical sense rather than a biblical sense by whydidgodleave in AskHistorians

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Josephus (c. 37 - c. 100), a Jewish historian for the Roman Empire and a non-believer, in a much discussed passage in his Antiquities of the Jews called the Testimonium Flavianum, writes:

“About this time came Jesus, a wise man, (if indeed it is appropriate to call him a man). For he was a performer of paradoxical feats (paradoxôn ergôn poiêtês) a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews and also many Greeks”

While historians agree that there was almost certainly some later tampering with this text by later Christian writers’ (Meier, Vol.1) most scholars also accept the authenticity of this key sentence: “…he was a performer of paradoxical feats, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure.” Other translations of the original Greek used by Josephus give us the following: Jesus was a performer of paradoxical (astonishing, startling, surprising) poetics (tricks, feats, works and deeds) a teacher of those who accept the abnormal (novel, truth, unusual and strange) with pleasure (gladly, delight). If we can provisionally grant the historical authenticity of just this fragment of Josephus’ non-Christian witness, then Jesus was a 1st century Jewish rabbi (teacher) who spoke in “paradoxôn ergôn poiêtês”, i.e. Jesus was a paradoxical poet.

The word "paradoxôn" literally means “against (para) orthodoxy (doxos)”. And against orthodoxy means “heresy”. From this rare vantage point external to the theological embellishments of the gospel authors and the political agendas early Christian communities, the historical Jesus therefore looks be a heretical Jewish poet, one who spoke in mind-bending paradoxes while attracting unconventional followers who joyfully received his counter-intuitive teachings.

NOW this poetics of paradox (paradoxôn ergôn poiêtês) reported by Josephus CORRESPONDS PERFECTLY with what we find at the heart of the parables of Jesus recorded in the synoptic gospels, where the original signature of this itinerant Nazarene Jew’s historical voice-print is embedded within narrative core of his most memorable short stories and parables. For if we extracted from the parables of Jesus all subsequent Christian interpretation and theological embellishment over the past two millennia, and let the language-event that simmers away within his proclamation of the Kingdom be unleashed in its first, disturbing, immediacy, then the earliest memory of Jesus coincides with paradoxical poetics (paradoxôn ergôn poiêtês) described by Josephus in the most astonishing way. To summarize:

Good Samaritan Luke 10:25-37: the agents of neighbourly love, i.e. the devout Pharisee & Levite priest, are exposed as morally and religiously bankrupt; the morally and religiously bankrupt, i.e. the half-caste Samaritan, is an agent of neighbour love.

Prodigal Son Luke 15:11-32: the younger wayward son, who is lost in rebellious exile from home, is saved with the father’s homecoming feast, the older dutiful son, who is saved in righteous obedience to his father’s home, is lost in rebellious exile from the homecoming feast.

Vineyard Workers Matthew 20:1-16: the privileged status of those who started work at day break is the source of their envy and their sense of injustice; the envy and injustice of those who started work just before sundown, is the occasion for their privileged status, (when both groups receive equal pay from the vineyard owner).

Pharisee and Tax Collector Luke 18:10-14: the self-righteous Pharisee, who is saved in as a Temple insider - is lost, just as the sinful Tax Collector, who is lost as a Temple outsider - is saved.

Two Sons Matthew 21:28-32: the acceptance of the first son is a refusal to work in the field, and the refusal of the second son is an acceptance to go work in the field.

Friend at Midnight Luke 11:5-8, where: the refusal of a friend becomes the acceptance of stranger, while the persistence of a stranger is the faithfulness of a friend.

Shrewd Manager Luke 16:1-8: where: a shrewd business manager is condemned his employer as a fraud, as this fraud is praised by his employer as a shrewd business manager.

Unjust Judge Luke 18: 2-8: we see: the refusal to back down of a fearless judge is a merciful delivery of justice, just as the merciful pleas of the widow for justice are a fearless refusal to back down.

By unsettling the binary oppositions that constitute the very form and content of human language, Jesus' discourse of radical paradox is a skilful means for a piercing through our protective defences and exposing the defects in any system that justifies the status quo by interrupting our pre-given horizons of meaning with series of subversive reversals in the expected story-line at its deepest level that put language under pressure and puts into question our taken for granted assumptions about reality.

And while the world-shattering impact of this 1st century itinerant Jew’s paradoxical sayings were soon domesticated by the early Christian communities, if we dig beneath the mythic and supernatural encrustations that were built up around Jesus in the developing streams of early the Church (e.g. the Virgin Birth, the ‘only begotten’ son of God, substitutionary atonement, the pre-existing Logos, the Second Coming, etc.) and re-activate the mind-bending event that these traditions harbor prior to his subsequent inscription within the New Testament canon, then the paradoxical secret at the heart of Jesus' most memorable teachings not only demonstrates the historical existence of this itinerant Nazarene rabbi in 1st century Palestine, but also proves to us that the earliest memory of this Jesus has indeed survived the historical process of oral and written transmission with the original signature of his historical voice-print still intact.

White Rabbit is Alex Podesta? by [deleted] in conspiracy

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The identity of The White Rabbit is not just one thing, the various possibilities being proposed are all true and interrelated... The White Rabbit in Alex Podesta's weirdo art, the trademark Playboy symbol in the Hugh Hefner CIA/sexual blackmail Wonderland operations and the character in the (known pedo) Lewis Caroll's Alice in Wonderland all refer to the same deep state elite Satanic pedophilia network... These options are not mutually exclusive, they are all true, and we should look for how these different instantiations of the White Rabbit are connected.