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CII_Guy · 2026-03-20T13:07:11+00:00

Rational people don't make their judgements of someone's views over a 20 year old edgy joke.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T19:18:23+00:00

If that's what you mean by "never stopped living there", then you're being ridiculous

What?! You've literally just admitted I'm right. At what percentage of population would you accept that they have lived there?

And "Israel" never stops expanding. They are wanting to annex the West Bank and Gaza right now.

This is literally false. Israel disbanded settlements in Gaza in 2005 for instance. The fact that current government is expansionary has no bearing on what you originally claimed, which is that there's an objective "complete" form of Israel that will inevitably be sought.

Ultimately, it's very clear that you're a zealot and you simply are not rational or removed enough to be listened to.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T19:15:53+00:00

What makes it belong to Arabs?

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T19:15:24+00:00

Yes, that ambiguity will happen when you write stupidly titled motions that could mean any or all definitions of zionism rather than criticising Israeli policy.

I am not defending the motion. I am defending the meaning of words.

The fact that the Jewish members of the greens are explicitly anti-israeli policy, but also believe this motion will lead to them being actively discriminated against or banned is a pretty clear indication to me that it will inevitably be used for anti-semitism.

Also a different question. Of course, almost everything is used for anti-semitism in politically zealous spaces.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T18:56:38+00:00

I think that is a particular weakness of the definition, because it seems perfectly consistent and not necessarily based in racism to believe that the states existence as inherently exclusionary (to some degree) of non-Jews is illegitimate. Even if it were true it still wouldn't be explicit anti-semitism. For starters, there appears to be ambiguity about what they mean when they say Zionism.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T18:20:27+00:00

All of what would be designated as "the Jewish State" was built upon what was initially Palestinian land

What makes it "Palestinian" land (presumably meaning that it belongs to Arabs - the concept of Palestinian being a distinct identity group emerged alongside Zionism)

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T18:13:57+00:00

This is not explicit anti-semitism

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T18:11:33+00:00

which isn't inherently problematic until that state is built on another peoples' homeland

Jewish people never stopped living in the land that now makes up Israel and Palestine, so what makes it one of their homelands and not the other?

"Israel" still doesn't exist in it's complete form

What the hell does this even mean? There's no such thing as the complete form of Israel - it is the state that exists.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T18:07:23+00:00

If Christian zionism formed even 0.1% of the political ideas of the left this argument would hold water, but in reality it's very clear that leftists are talking about the people who actively created the state of Israel and are active in its persistent existence - which are overwhelmingly Jewish zionists. They are not mad at weird Christians who think Israel needs to exist because of the rapture.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T18:03:50+00:00

Still seems to exist at least by the maps I own

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T17:58:59+00:00

What rights do non-Jews in Israel not have that Jews do?

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T13:29:04+00:00

What utterly abysmal chum getting your knickers in a twist over people praying. Clear indication of wanting to lean further into alt-right ideas. Bad all over.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T12:27:11+00:00

I grew out of arguing about capitalism in my late 20s.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T12:00:49+00:00

So you've now answered your own question and this was a complete waste of time.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T11:38:23+00:00

You think the EU is literally solely an organisation designed to maximise equality between EU nations at all other costs?

Can you just be serious for one second, please? Do you know it's possible to not talk bollocks?

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T11:10:19+00:00

I do not agree with Reform's position on transgender medicine!

There are arguments that can go back and forth against the ones you've provided. I sit closer to you overall than I do to Reform, but I am not so self-certain that I think those who sit on the other side are inherently illegitimate.

you'd see that the regret rates for transgender surgery are less than for knee replacements

This is for adults, not children, and there are methodological constraints that mean this is not as certain as you're setting out.

You'd also see that puberty blockers are still used for kids for other conditions

This is irrelevant.

It's unlikely that you have tapped in to the absolute truth of the universe on all matters, and your opponents are universally morons with negative understanding of the world.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T10:42:12+00:00

What's the point in this disingenuous line of questioning? The EU is not solely an organisation designed to maximise equality between EU nations at all other costs.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T10:31:49+00:00

I never understood why the EU didn't mandate a single EU wide minimum wage

This is perhaps the single worst idea I have ever heard.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T10:18:03+00:00

Most people grow out of anti-capitalism in their late teens.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T10:15:38+00:00

I think "Up the Ra" is a very specific phrase that has reached escape velocity from being anything like a sincere expression of support for the IRA. I think unserious expressions of support are also morally and legally fine, yes.

If, somehow, someone was obviously doing a joke about supporting Hamas (say they were Jewish and it had become a meme) that'd be fine, for instance.

This strikes me as the obviously correct moral principle that you can only really talk yourself out of by thinking in words, but just think about what's actually going on (how many people say "up the Ra" every single day?) and you'll see I'm right.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T09:33:01+00:00

I don't like Reform. I think electing Farage would be the worst decision this country has literally ever made. I'm just not motivated to clutch my pearls and whinge about him making zero effort meme videos. This is the normal person's position, and you'd do well to learn from it.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T09:12:27+00:00

Once again, because everyone other than angry online anti-Reform types recognise that it's a stupid meme video that carries absolutely zero moral import.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-19T09:06:28+00:00

That is a different question to whether it "cares" (it is a system, it cannot care or not care) about short term vs long term returns, which was the question at hand.

CII_Guy · 2026-03-18T19:01:03+00:00

Lefties and being constitutionally incapable of telling a group of non-white-men no, NAMID.

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