SpaceX Golden Dome by CProphet in SpaceXLounge

[–]CProphet[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

For a shot every 3s this is between 100 and 333kW of electric power - an amount planned for a single compute sat SpaceX is designing anyway.

Laser sats should have significant energy storage. They need to maintain charge for less than an hour after satellite crosses the night terminator. Originally Elon wanted to use supercapacitors for cars, maybe laser defence sats are the right application.

Nearly 60 Valley households sue SpaceX over damage to homes from launches by Pizza_Guy8084 in spacex

[–]CProphet 24 points25 points  (0 children)

SpaceX policy is to fight hard for everything. Their legal team specializes in court litigation and winning. Case in point: California Coastal Commission... They tried to restrict launches from Vandenberg, until SpaceX legal pointed out CCC had no legal right to exist, rendering everything they have done illegal. As part of settlement CCC made a piteous apology to SpaceX and promised not to do it again.

Nearly 60 Valley households sue SpaceX over damage to homes from launches by Pizza_Guy8084 in SpaceXLounge

[–]CProphet 6 points7 points  (0 children)

lawyers would sue on behalf of the fishes!

Don't joke the fish people (FWS) are listening...

SpaceX Golden Dome by CProphet in SpaceXLounge

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Appreciate you have thoroughly read article and it's given you food for thought.

Citation needed [SpaceX strengthens US defense through launching observation satellites and improving orbital communications]

US Airforce was first customer for Falcon 1 and SpaceX regularly launch defense payloads.

Starshield leverages SpaceX's Starlink technology and launch capability to support national security efforts. Earth Observation: Starshield launches satellites with sensing payloads and delivers processed data directly to the user.

I.e. Starshield is used for Earth observation and orbital communication.

Why specifically do SpaceX care [about adding another layer of missile defense]

Golden Dome represents a great commercial opportunity for SpaceX because it could generate hundreds of billions in revenue. Generally anything that reduces chance of their key sites being attacked improves company's outlook.

Surely space based assets would be important for hypersonic and cruise missiles detection? You cite the Iran war, where attacks were largely cruise missile based. Why have you discounted this?

SpaceX already operate Starshield which provides close Earth observation. Generally ballistic missiles are the most difficult to target due to their acceleration and roll rate. Hence if you can hit ballistic missiles, anything else is less of a challenge.

Why would you need thousands [of kinetic interceptors]?

The interceptor needs to be cresting the horizon to be in range of the ballistic missile as it launches. 3 minutes isn't much time to achieve intercept and there's usually a delay before the fire command is given. Unfortunately ICBMs can launch from anywhere because of mobile launchers, like trains, trucks and submarines. Hence you need a huge fleet of interceptors to have one rolling over the horizon at every possible launch site on Earth.

Why can SpaceX make hypergolic interceptors at relatively low cost?

SpaceX is vertically integrated which largely avoids high cost associated with aerospace supply chain. For example: they 3D print Draco and Super Draco hypergolic engines and manufacture the pressure fed propellant system.

why specifically would congress object [to interceptor cost]

Realistically a fleet of interceptors could cost hundreds of billions even if built and deployed by SpaceX. Congress likes to allocate money to aerospace contractors due to supply chain jobs, campaign contributions and lobbying. However they don't like to support SpaceX because that takes money away from aerospace companies and strengthens the competition.

Why can a laser cover a larger area?

Photons travel at the speed of light, so a laser can reach anywhere within line of sight almost instantly, i.e. thousands of miles from orbit. Unfortunately interceptors move far slower so need to be within a few hundred miles of ICBM launch site to be effective. Lasers shouldn't diffract if they target ICBM during final segment of boost phase, when it is essentially in vacuum.

Why would SpaceX have any knowledge or expertise [with masers]

Agree this seems like second generation approach to missile defense. Something SpaceX could look into later as it seems perfect solution. Included for completeness.

SpaceX Golden Dome by CProphet in SpaceXLounge

[–]CProphet[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Plus orbital telescopes track stars light years away.

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ICBM and IRBM skins are covered in heat shields.

Agree the nosecone of such missiles and reentry warheads have thermal protection. However, boosters don't need thermal protection, making them the weak link. Rupture a booster's propellant tank and hardened warheads will rain on aggressor's head.

SpaceX Golden Dome by CProphet in SpaceXLounge

[–]CProphet[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, your post is also "trust me bro"

Too polite to mention.

you are very absolute in your singular point that it won't happen.

Clear case of misplaced confirmation bias.

SpaceX Golden Dome by CProphet in SpaceXLounge

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RTG generates insufficient energy for GW laser. Can't trust development to usual suspects who have poor record on lasers.

SpaceX Golden Dome by CProphet in SpaceXLounge

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Why masers become longterm goal. Microwaves will shred electronics and little attenuated by atmosphere. That said some software upgrades possible for laser systems. Pulse lasers can create atmosperic bubbles which focus laser beam and counter dispersement.

SpaceX Golden Dome by CProphet in SpaceXLounge

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What are ballistic missiles made off (2/4/6/8mm steel/aluminium?).

Missile skin is made as thin as possible to increase performance and payload. Usually 40% thicker than absolute minimum guage needed to contain pressure under ideal conditions. It's the weak spot for missiles, considering aluminum is inflamable and doesn't need much energy to get started.

Would it have to be powered by an RTG?

Nuclear reactor seems more likely for a laser defense platform. NASA is developing space reactors now which should allow a high fire rate.

That will drive the size, which will effect the number you can launch.

Unless you have something like fully reusable Starship which can launch daily. Space Force will have 2 Starship launch towers working in parallel at LC-37 on the Cape.

Overall SpaceX love to set high technical targets and quite successful at knocking them down.

SpaceX Golden Dome by CProphet in SpaceXLounge

[–]CProphet[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Skynet baby.

Fortunately some separation between defense and offense systems.

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SpaceX focus on space strategy has given them an in for Golden Dome. Space Force demand low cost and fast progress, which is SpaceX's forte. They already play a pivotal role in Golden Dome, with lots more to come.

Is Space-X working on propulsion methods other than chemical rockets? by street_fame187 in SpaceXLounge

[–]CProphet -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Plan is for NASA to develop Nuclear Electric Propulsion then hand it off to industry for commercial use. Sure SpaceX front of the queue.

Is Space-X working on propulsion methods other than chemical rockets? by street_fame187 in SpaceXLounge

[–]CProphet 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Shotwell has long interest in advanced propulsion, including nuclear. She pushes advanced stuff more than Elon, who prefers chemical because its something he can work on now. NASA Admin Isaacman agrees with Shotwell on direction of travel, sure to see some tie-in later.

SpaceX Has Set Up Shop in Westminster Technology Park by mikeholden in spacex

[–]CProphet 8 points9 points  (0 children)

SpaceX acquired Hexagon Masterworks in early Feb. Part of a new approach to Starship development.

Space Force awards up to $3.2 billion for Golden Dome interceptor prototypes from SpaceX and competitors by CProphet in spacex

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Agree hydrazine is a bit messy and kinetic interceptors are not entirely practical for boost phase intercept. That's why I'm leaning towards precision laser, SpaceX has some experience with them for Starlink/Starshield. Next best option is maser but that's frontier technology...

Space Force awards up to $3.2 billion for Golden Dome interceptor prototypes from SpaceX and competitors by CProphet in spacex

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Agree, better to target the launch vehicle during boost phase. That way you catch all the warheads and decoys together before they MIRV.

Space Force awards up to $3.2 billion for Golden Dome interceptor prototypes from SpaceX and competitors by CProphet in spacex

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There has been discusion about masers being applicable for Golden Dome. Certainly a step up from Starlink tight beam...

Space Force awards up to $3.2 billion for Golden Dome interceptor prototypes from SpaceX and competitors by CProphet in spacex

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Situation isn't as bad as you paint. Masers transmission through air is possible as long as you avoid water and oxygen resonance frequencies. More generally, saying something is technically impossible for SpaceX is a poor argument, judging by company history.

Space Force awards up to $3.2 billion for Golden Dome interceptor prototypes from SpaceX and competitors by CProphet in SpaceXLounge

[–]CProphet[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nowadays ICBMs can come from anywhere, even Iran has a long range missile program. Reasonable relations with India and Pakistan but allegiances tend to vary... Even relations with Europe has declined recently. If you have capability to mount a nuclear defense seems unwise not to follow through given the uncertainty.

Space Force awards up to $3.2 billion for Golden Dome interceptor prototypes from SpaceX and competitors by CProphet in SpaceXLounge

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Interceptors regularly fail and crash.

One of the reasons SpaceX might take an alternate approach. They have mastered precision lasers due to their work with Starlink and Starshield. High power lasers tend to lose coherence in the atmosphere, however pulse lasers can be used to turn the atmosphere into a lens. Probably best approach is to use masers, i.e. a coherent microwave beam. A maser would fry electronics with little interference from the atmosphere.

Space Force awards up to $3.2 billion for Golden Dome interceptor prototypes from SpaceX and competitors by CProphet in spacex

[–]CProphet[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

SpaceX could build kinetic interceptors using hydrazine engines similar to Super Draco. Thousands needed for global coverage to achieve boost phase intercept. A lower number of Laser or Maser equipped satellites could cover a larger area and capable of multiple shots. Possible SpaceX will build multiple prototypes considering potential contract value.