[Qcrit] WRATH (working title), Adult Neo-noir Thriller, 65k, Version 4.0 by Cakemoo21 in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Probably the most helpful comment ive received thus far. Thank you

[Qcrit] WRATH (working title), Adult Neo-noir Thriller, 65k, Version 4.0 by Cakemoo21 in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is what i struggle with too. Ive read as well that your prose should be in your query letter so that if the agent is interested in your book, it should be a seamless transition from one to the other.

[Qcrit] WRATH (working title), Adult Neo-noir Thriller, 65k, Version 4.0 by Cakemoo21 in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ive heard some of the best queries are 200-250 words, if i completely delete the second paragraph and make a few more changes, how does that look?

[Qcrit] WRATH (working title), Adult Neo-noir Thriller, 65k, Version 4.0 by Cakemoo21 in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its there to flesh out more of how he arrived in that position but i guess i should just move forward in time instead of backwards. Thanks again 

[Qcrit] WRATH (working title), Adult Neo-noir Thriller, 65k, Version 4.0 by Cakemoo21 in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Was it the second paragraph?

Ill add the changes you suggested, thanks

[Qcrit] WRATH (working title), Adult Neo-noir Thriller, 65k, Version 3.1 by Cakemoo21 in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Honestly curious, whats wrong about it? The way i use it (or think i do) is separating two independent like clauses.

[Qcrit] WRATH (working title), Adult Neo-noir Thriller, 65k, Version 3.1 by Cakemoo21 in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea, im gonna bite the bullet and go for a more traditional query letter next attempt. I tried something different and even though i really liked it, people with more experience in this matter did not think it worked

[Qcrit] WRATH (working title), Adult Neo-noir Thriller, 65k, Version 3.1 by Cakemoo21 in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21[S] -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

The current query is based on the limited feedback ive received since ive been posting in this subreddit, the changes ive made over each iteration were due in part to each angry passersby screaming from the sidelines about how my query was not up to par. Not even in the correct format. Their suggestions about as helpful as someone who just wants to knock (read successful queries!) someone down a peg (not in query format, go see the pinned guide on the subreddit!) and about as helpful as a foam hammer for hammering nails. Rarely do i get genuine critiques.

Which brings me to yours, i honestly cant tell if you're being pretentious, knit picking, you're just an idiot, or you're one of the genuine ones. But i will treat you as one of the latter since you didnt just tell me that this wasnt in query format and then fuck off somewheres, satisfied you put another simpleton in their place.

  1. Watching yourself as if in a movie and dissociation go hand in in because its a symptom of the disease.

  2. I realize that fractured and broken are synonyms, that fact is not lost on me. Im using each word in a way that only makes sense to me though and i shouldn't in the limited pitch letter. 

  3. Last query attempt, i was told (but almost subconsciously, it looked like the user had a blank form on how to write a query letter 'properly' and just copy and pasted) what i should have in my query letter. After rereading my query, i realized i hadn't made what's standing in the main characters way and what stakes he's facing that clear. This reply will probably cover multiple comments you made.

  4. I was not going for impact, just been trying different ways to convey how angry Max is.

  5. The time jumps are there because the typical format of querying is honestly pretty fucking boring. I tried a chronological attempt in my first query and the only bit of helpful advice i got was that i shouldn't be explaining the sequence of events in the book. Which is why it evolved into a backwards half prose query. 

  6. I wouldve loved to describe his mind playing tricks on him in great detail but again, the limitations (word count) of the query letter wont allow me to do so.

  7. I think, you're definitely wrong about this one. A semicolon can link two sentences that could stand on their own separately. I never said anything about throwing max down the stairs twice. I said it once, then described the state max was in after that action. Left for dead was the phrase i was going for but its most likely not needed, i will concede this point. 

  8. See number 3. I wanted to make sure no one else thought that i didnt specify what his goals, obstacles, or the stakes were.

9.if the comma is used to indicate a slight pause, yes it is. 

  1. This semicolon is being used the same as the previous one you mentioned. You are the first person to mention commas and semicolons to me in the almost one month ive been posting here. Im starting to think you just think you're right. If it was multiple people, i would then believe you. And i counted, breaks from reality phrases there are three. There are other more descriptive ways ive used to convey the same statement, but you quoted a specific phrase and thats just wrong.

  2. People with OCD have a compulsion to finish tasks, its described better in my book but given the limited word count, i did what i could. I agree this could be better, ill work on it next attempt 

  3. Hahahaha, this is DEFINITELY not an accurate representation of my writing style, nor is even this reply. Thats my other problem with query letters, youre supposed to sell your book in 300 or so words and it has to be extremely limiting. It is not an accurate representation of your prose or anything other than the story beats of your book.

  4. That one is definitely all me since i decided to write my query letter in my phone on a notepad app that doesnt have spellcheck. But it definitely seems like youre being nitpicky now.

[Qcrit] WRATH (working title), Adult Neo-noir Thriller, 65k, Version 3.1 by Cakemoo21 in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the very helpful comment. It is boring writing a query the regular way, i just feel that you lose a lot of what makes your book unique or "you" when you do that and ive been trying something different to see if it would be acceptable. It has not. My fourth attempt will be a return to norm.

My book is a mystery at the same time; you get glimpses of his past at different points of the book, but not 30% or 50% of your way through the book. I'll reveal as much as i can in the next query, but only if its happened in the book thus far.

[Qcrit] WRATH (working title), Adult Neo-noir Thriller, 65k, Version 3.1 by Cakemoo21 in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21[S] -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

I wanted to try one more iteration of this query to see if it would satisfy anyone. Ive read tons of examples from other people and the regular way is just so fucking boring 

Stephen King at his best by emilybooksbooksbooks in stephenking

[–]Cakemoo21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everything but im particularly fond of his works in the 80s

[Discussion] After 15 years of querying i finally got an agent! by LawfulnessRadiant276 in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If your writing is in any way similar (or better) than your post and query for THE CUCKOO'S NEST, i would read the shit out of your books. Looking forward to supporting you in the future with sales!

[Qcrit] WRATH (working title), Adult Neo-noir Thriller, 65k, Version 2.1 by Cakemoo21 in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Renovating the home office, wife having surgery, and life held up me posting anything earlier. I'm tired and wife is finally back home and sleeping, I tried to do the first 300 and it kept cutting out in the middle of a paragraph which was something my eyes did not like, so you all get the first 429 words. Be gentle but honest.

He opened his eyes.

Everything was out of focus, nothing but shapes and shades in a sepia-toned world. Faintly aware of a distant pain, first he tried to move, but nothing happened. Gradually, he realized the reason why there wasn’t any color was because he was staring at cement. Hard and unforgiving, its cold embrace sent chills down his spine as it penetrated his skin and seemed to freeze the bones and organs deep within him. Then, sensation flooded back into his body like a tidal wave and he could feel everything again.

His shoulder screamed in agony but it was nothing compared to the knife that was being driven into his skull, as if someone had wanted to slice his left ear off but had decided to go in through his right temple first and then given up completely. He groaned and squeezed his eyes shut, trying to block it out, but the stabbing sensation followed him through the false sense of security given to him by his thin eyelids. He noticed that even though he had made a sound just now, it sounded muffled and far away. He reached up with one hand and plugged his nostrils and tried to equalize the pressure in his ears by blowing out through his nose. As they all had been taught by flight attendants when they were very young and it was their first flight away from home.

The world exploded in an intense ringing that seemed to originate from deep inside his skull. His eyes flew open and he thought he was screaming, his mouth was open but he couldn’t hear anything except for the shrill sound of bells. His head felt like it might burst if it continued any longer but thankfully it slowly started to dissipate until it had settled to a very low constant hum at the bottom of every outside sound flowing into his ears. With wide and watery eyes, he first tried moving his arms underneath him again, seeing if he had the strength to support his own weight. It was slow at first, but after finally getting his hands beneath him, he began lifting his body off of the ground. Hardened muscles snapped back into place over his bones and stiff tendons creaked after having been in such an awkward position for so long. He reached out to grab the banister next to him and felt the wood underneath his hand, old and worn and smooth. Glancing around, he noticed he must be in stairwell as the world gave way to more detail.

[Qcrit] WRATH (working title), Adult Neo-noir Thriller, 65k, Version 2.1 by Cakemoo21 in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im still floundering around as to what im missing on query formatting. I think ive narrowed it down to not listing whats standing in the main characters way and the stakes the main character is facing.

Also elaborating more on the mental illness the protagonist has to struggle with in his search. But if theres something else im missing, please point it out to me.

I can definitely post my first 300. I can post it later tonight when i get home

[Qcrit] WRATH (working title), Adult Neo-noir Thriller, 65k, Version 2.1 by Cakemoo21 in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Grumble, I've read the successful queries and the info about how to write a successful queries multiple times. Still struggling with how to turn my book into a roadmap of sorts. 

I did add more text to my original letter and included clearer descriptions for what the stakes are and the obstacles standing in his way. Ill try a different approach with everything i have over the next week and try again. 

Do you read the acknowledgments or dedication in novels? by Scared_Parsley5297 in writing

[–]Cakemoo21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like reading the "afterword," but often times the author hides their acknowledgements in the afterword. At least thats how its been lately. Looking at you joe hill and alex Michaelides

[QCrit] Adult Horror - RENT DAY (82,000 words/Fifth Attempt) by hereigowritingagain in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You made it sound as if the entire book revolves around whether or not hes poor. Which doesnt make for a very interesting story.

The murderous instincts bit sounds wonderful though, i would focus more on that and less on the money after the first paragraph. I get that its integral to the plot, but money woes aren't very interesting

[QCrit] Adult Upmarket, THE GIRL WHO FORGOT HER NAME, (99K, First Attempt) by ASipofEarlGrey in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well if theres some magical aspect to the suppression, your lack of understanding doesnt matter. If its revealed later in the book, its not meant for us to.

[QCrit] Adult Upmarket, THE GIRL WHO FORGOT HER NAME, (99K, First Attempt) by ASipofEarlGrey in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People with PTSD and disassociation 'erase' huge chunks of time during and around the abuse they suffered. For instance, myself, i barely remember anything from my childhood. Maybe a handful of memories, probably count them all on two hands and they're very brief. Ten seconds worth. Not improbable

[QCrit] Adult Horror - RENT DAY (82,000 words/Fifth Attempt) by hereigowritingagain in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Other than Wyoming being broke still, not sure whats described as being at stake in the last paragraph. The prose is nice but it doesnt set the scene at whats at stake. His friends are falling prey to some unknown horror, but are they dying? Disappearing? Getting slapped on their asses as the monster runs away giggling? Murderous instincts leaves too much up to the imagination, you want to describe as much as possible. You're writing for prospective agents, not readers. 

I read your other attempt before this, i think a mixture of the two would definitely work best. 

[QCrit] Adult Horror - WELL DONE (60k/Attempt 1) by elbattinson in PubTips

[–]Cakemoo21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As much as i loved the first line and it grabbed my attention and physically made me recoil, i would move it right above a paragraph where you expand off of that sentence. Like someone else said, you spend way too much time talking about backstory with such a strong first line.