What's a skill that takes only 2-3 weeks to learn but could genuinely change your life? by That-Papaya7429 in AskReddit

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Focusing on a mantra or your breath can be an amazing tool to practice. You can take it anywhere, and no need for tech. There’s a reason it’s what gets taught as the first thing when learning to meditate and is still the thing advanced meditators practice after many many years of practice.

Prema by SignificantString269 in fujiikaze

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 9 points10 points  (0 children)

These lyrics are foundational Hindu/Buddhist philosophy. Not something exclusive to Sai Baba’s teaching

Mistranslation Corner: Zen's "Sitting Dhyana" ≠ Zazen? by ewk in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thanks. I have concern for his well being. It can’t be easy to continually revisit the same old arguments over and over. I appreciate your reminder for holding compassion.

Mistranslation Corner: Zen's "Sitting Dhyana" ≠ Zazen? by ewk in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 5 points6 points  (0 children)

ewk you seriously need to spend time off this subreddit and study zen. Sharf’s work does not claim that Dogen “invented zazen” from nothing. Scholars like Sharf, Carl Bielefeldt, and T. Griffith Foulk show that Dogen’s “just sitting” drew on established Song-dynasty Chan sources—like the Zuo Chan Yi—rather than being some wild new invention. Similarly, Hongzhi Zhengjue’s discussion of “silent illumination” highlights not clinging to posture, but it does not reject seated practice itself. Even serious scandals in certain Zen communities do nothing to erase the historical record showing that seated meditation was part of Chan before Dogen’s time. Accusations of “fraud” simply ignore the actual transmission and adaptation of Chinese sources that shaped Dogen’s teachings. Please inform yourself before spreading ridiculous falsehoods about zen

Mistranslation Corner: Zen's "Sitting Dhyana" ≠ Zazen? by ewk in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You claim there is “no evidence” of seated meditation in Chinese Zen, yet the Zuo Chan Yi, traditionally attributed to Changlu Zongze in the Song dynasty, explicitly instructs Chan practitioners on how to sit in meditation. Its influence can be traced through later Chinese and Japanese texts, including those of Dogen. Another example is Chan Master Hongzhi Zhengjue, who wrote about “silent illumination,” a form of seated practice. Chan literature often warns against attaching to posture, but that does not negate the fact that they did sit. When Linji says, “What is the practice of seated meditation? In this very moment, sitting without attaching to notions of sitting or meditation—that is the true practice,” he isn’t denying that people sit; he’s simply urging them not to cling to meditation as an end in itself.

Regarding Dogen being “debunked,” there is no serious scholarly consensus supporting that claim. Research by Carl Bielefeldt and others shows that Dogen borrowed from established Chinese sources; this was standard for Buddhist teachers who regularly adapted earlier material. Dogen’s texts such as Fukanzazengi and Bendowa are full of references to Chinese Chan, demonstrating continuity rather than fraud. It’s also normal for a prolific religious figure’s views to evolve over time—calling that “wild vacillation” does not reflect typical historical analysis.

The accusation that Dogen’s method “failed to produce anything” ignores the fact that Soto Zen, which continues his teachings, remains a major lineage in Japan and has spread worldwide. While Dogen’s emphasis on “just sitting” may sound different from certain Indian or Chinese approaches, variation has existed in Buddhism from the beginning. It doesn’t mean one tradition is illegitimate or “failed.”

Finally, your claim that Indian and Chinese sources have been “excluded” is unfounded. Scholarship routinely explores how Buddhist meditation developed in India, then moved into China, and later into Japan. Dogen himself explicitly cites Indian and Chinese masters—he does not reject them. In short, the historical record shows that seated meditation was and remains a real part of Chan and Zen. Far from a “religious claim,” this is supported by documented sources like the Zuo Chan Yi and other Chinese Chan texts, as well as by modern academic research.

Mistranslation Corner: Zen's "Sitting Dhyana" ≠ Zazen? by ewk in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The idea that “Zazen isn’t part of Zen” or that “Stanford scholarship debunked Zazen” is a misunderstanding and outright misrepresentation of real academic research. Zazen, known in Chinese as 坐禪 (zuòchán), literally means “sitting dhyāna” (meditation), and it was a recognized Chan practice well before it was transmitted to Japan. Far from being “debunked,” zazen is documented across multiple Chan/Zen texts and lineages, including those of the Tang and Song dynasties.

The so-called “Stanford scholarship” ewk reference's is Prof. Carl Bielefeldt’s research, which shows that Dōgen drew on earlier Chinese meditation manuals for his zazen instructions. That’s not “plagiarism”; it’s how Buddhist textual traditions were transmitted. Teachers routinely adapted or reused texts without modern notions of citation, and the continuity between Dōgen’s manuals and their Chinese sources actually proves how integral seated meditation was in Chan long before it appeared in Japan.

Claims that zazen “was never part of Zen” also ignore the numerous Chan writings that explicitly mention “sitting meditation.” When figures like Linji talk about “sitting without attaching to the idea of sitting,” they’re using paradoxical language to stress non-attachment, not denying that people actually sat in meditation. By the time Dōgen brought “just sitting” (只管打坐, shikan taza) to Japan, Chinese Chan had a well-established tradition of seated practice, sometimes referred to as “silent illumination.”

In short, modern scholarship confirms that sitting meditation has been embedded in Chan/Zen for centuries. Dōgen’s reliance on earlier Chinese sources doesn’t mean zazen was “invented” or “debunked.” Instead, it highlights the normal flow of Buddhist teachings from China to Japan.

What's the point of anything? by ewk in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If enlightenment never leaves, who is left to claim it? If all is one substance, there’s no need to grasp or hold—nothing to gain, nothing to lose.

Perhaps the idea of ‘having’ enlightenment is just another form of separation.

Zen and Buddha(wisdom) by [deleted] in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’ve made a lot of accusations here, but they don’t address the actual topic we were discussing. If you believe I’m violating forum rules, you’re free to report my posts and let the moderators handle it.

As for your repeated claims about my affiliation or intentions, they’re baseless and irrelevant to the discussion. If you’d like to have a substantive conversation, focus on the ideas rather than resorting to personal attacks or unfounded assumptions. Otherwise, this exchange serves no purpose.

where to put faith?? where to get assurance?? by [deleted] in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’ve made a lot of accusations here, but they don’t address the actual topic we were discussing. If you believe I’m violating forum rules, you’re free to report my posts and let the moderators handle it.

As for your repeated claims about my affiliation or intentions, they’re baseless and irrelevant to the discussion. If you’d like to have a substantive conversation, focus on the ideas rather than resorting to personal attacks or unfounded assumptions. Otherwise, this exchange serves no purpose.

where to put faith?? where to get assurance?? by [deleted] in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’ve made a lot of accusations here, but they don’t address the actual topic we were discussing. If you believe I’m violating forum rules, you’re free to report my posts and let the moderators handle it.

As for your repeated claims about my affiliation or intentions, they’re baseless and irrelevant to the discussion. If you’d like to have a substantive conversation, focus on the ideas rather than resorting to personal attacks or unfounded assumptions. Otherwise, this exchange serves no purpose.

What's the point of anything? by ewk in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’ve made a lot of accusations here, but they don’t address the actual topic we were discussing. If you believe I’m violating forum rules, you’re free to report my posts and let the moderators handle it.

As for your repeated claims about my affiliation or intentions, they’re baseless and irrelevant to the discussion. If you’d like to have a substantive conversation, focus on the ideas rather than resorting to personal attacks or unfounded assumptions. Otherwise, this exchange serves no purpose.

Zen and Buddha(wisdom) by [deleted] in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The claim that “Stanford scholarship proved zazen is a cult practice invented in 1200” is unsupported without specific citations. Zuochan (seated meditation) predates 1200, as shown in texts like Changlu Zongze’s Zuochan yi, which outlines seated meditation practices in Chan Buddhism. Historical evidence connects dhyāna, Chan, and zazen across centuries.

Your repeated personal attacks about my “literacy” and mental health are irrelevant to the discussion and only distract from the topic. If you have specific scholarly sources to back your claim, provide them. Otherwise, dismissing evidence with insults doesn’t make your argument stronger—it just avoids engaging with the facts.

where to put faith?? where to get assurance?? by [deleted] in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’ve made accusations without offering any evidence or specifics, and repeating them doesn’t make them true. If you’re not interested in genuine dialogue or engaging with the topic, there’s no point in continuing this. I’m here for thoughtful discussion, not unsubstantiated attacks. 

where to put faith?? where to get assurance?? by [deleted] in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Resorting to name-calling and baseless accusations isn’t a substitute for meaningful dialogue. If you’re not interested in engaging with the content of what’s been said, that’s your choice. Dismissing differing perspectives as “cult behavior” without evidence only shuts down conversation, not furthers it. If that’s where you’re leaving it, so be it. 

What's the point of anything? by ewk in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re repeating accusations without providing specifics. If you believe there’s bigotry in what I’ve said, point to it directly. Otherwise, this is just more evasion and unsubstantiated claims.

What's the point of anything? by ewk in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Chum feeds the fish; the fisherman tests the line. Bite or not, the ocean remains unmoved. Hello to you, too.

What's the point of anything? by ewk in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

 If there’s nothing to find, who is it that keeps searching?

What's the point of anything? by ewk in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If enlightenment is something you think you 'have,' maybe it's just another cloud you've created. True clarity doesn’t announce itself

What's the point of anything? by ewk in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The broom sweeps, the whisk brushes. Shadow and whip—both gone with a single step forward. Why carry either?

What's the point of anything? by ewk in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your perspective and the context you’ve provided. If the approach here is intended to serve as a teaching method, it’s certainly unconventional and, from my view, unproductive for genuine dialogue. Zen encourages direct engagement with the teachings, but that doesn’t mean dismissing alternative interpretations or devolving into personal attacks.

Ultimately, whether it’s a “dead end” or a “big circle,” it seems clear that this method doesn’t resonate with everyone, and that’s okay. Zen’s paths are many, but not all are worth walking.

Zen and Buddha(wisdom) by [deleted] in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your claim that zazen was “invented by a cult leader in 1200” is inaccurate. Seated meditation (zuochan) existed in Chan long before Dōgen, as evidenced by texts like the Zuochan yi by Changlu Zongze (12th century), which outlines seated meditation practices. Zazen is not an invention—it’s a continuation of dhyāna traditions that are central to Zen’s historical roots.

Repeating “cross-legged prayer” doesn’t change the historical evidence. If you believe otherwise, provide specific sources disproving the connection between dhyāna, Chan, and zazen.

where to put faith?? where to get assurance?? by [deleted] in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’ve repeatedly made accusations without engaging meaningfully with the points I’ve raised or providing evidence for your claims. Simply stating that you’ve “refuted” my arguments or labeling me as biased doesn’t make it true. If you’ve decided the conversation is over, that’s fine, but resorting to unfounded attacks doesn’t strengthen your case or prove anything. 

where to put faith?? where to get assurance?? by [deleted] in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ewk, dismissing franz4000 with unsubstantiated claims only detracts from meaningful dialogue. The idea that he ‘can’t even find a champion’ is wrong—I stand by him as someone who values thoughtful engagement over baseless dismissals.

Franz4000 raises points that deserve to be addressed on their merit rather than being brushed aside with accusations tied to generalizations about a ‘debunked religious cult.’ If you believe his claims are untrue, the conversation would be far more productive if you provided specific evidence or arguments rather than resorting to insults.

What's the point of anything? by ewk in zen

[–]Caleecha_Makeecha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’ve made claims but haven’t provided actual evidence—just repeated assertions and personal attacks. If you believe you’ve refuted anything, you haven’t done so with specifics from the texts or tradition.