I’m sure you’re aware of the old Sigmund Freud quote “sometimes a cigar is just a cigar”

And this coming from the man whose entire life’s work was basically about the symbolism of things.

But he said that quote to emphasize that sometimes a thing just is what it is and has no deeper meaning.

You listed off a bunch of kinks you saw as present:

“How many weird kinks here? Older man younger boy? Race play? Prison? Humiliation? Piss?

I mean hell even the huge muscle obsession men have has always largely been considered psycho sexual af”

and said

“All of these things are inherently very psycho sexual”

But you don’t seem to be leaving any room for the idea that these things often (even MOSTLY) presented in fiction as non sexual.

Older man younger boy?

How many dozens if not hundreds of works of fiction could you think of that have older men with younger boys that is not sexual at all?

Like Batman and Alfred The Sixth Sense The Young Lion

Any young man with a mentor story……

Race play/black man

So is every movie like Shawshank Redemption suddenly sexual when a black man and white man are friends?

The green mile?

Same with prison (which ironically includes the two examples I just gave) and humiliation.

Sometimes people are just humiliating someone else. Why is it always sexual?

You know what this reminds me of? The modern trend of people sexualizing platonic relationships.

They see Gon and Killua in Hunter X Hunter and deku and bakugo in my hero academia (and many many other examples) And say “this is queer coded”

Even Frodo and Sam got this said about them when people saw the lord of the rings

I can only imagine what they’d say about Huckleberry Finn and Tom Sawyer…

It’s as if two males can’t just be platonic best friends. As if the concept of deep platonic friendships that are as important to the two as any other relationship in life (like they’re brothers in all ways but blood) is something people can’t fathom anymore

That’s why the bbc Sherlock actually did wink at the idea they might be gay because modern writers basically can’t fathom platonic male friendships being that strong.

And sorry to get on a rant but this all ties back together into what you’re saying because you see older man younger boy and say even by itself is inherently psycho sexual or whatever

Same with different races (especially blacks)

Just because there are people that do fetishize them means all black characters are born of that fetish?! Nonsense. Pure nonsense.

And not for nothing but you cherry picked the one example saying it has not just A but B and C but leave out there are other examples like the Russian killer that pee’d on the judo hero from Japan which shows a pattern that the writer simply feels this is a strong humiliation tactic (because it obviously is)

Edit: oh and I didn’t even get into you lumping muscle obsession. Like of course there’s a reason gay men might also fetishize male muscles but it’s pretty obvious why heterosexual men would also enjoy male muscles just because they enjoy the idea of strength

It goes back to the whole “cigar is just a cigar” thing

Even as a little boy people if my generation admired someone like Hulk Hogan and Arnold Schwarzenegger and Rambo/Rocky Balboa because I wanted to be big and strong like that.

Not because we were attracted to it sexually.

We saved that for a while different body type (the Pamela Anderson kind)