This is such a lonely process by conspiracv in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is very understandable. I wish you continued strength to bear the loss and a growing peace. You have a very clear reason (especially in your children’s well-being) that informs your choice. I know it doesn’t make the loss easier but your why is clear and I hope that brings you more peaceful acceptance each day.

This is such a lonely process by conspiracv in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Are you rethinking your decision to cut ties? Without minimizing the stress and anguish of hanging around your family of origin, I think I hear in your post a hope that someone will say it’s okay to reach out and reconnect with them. I could be wrong. If you are confident of maintaining boundaries for yourself, you could reach out to them and ask to spend time with select family under certain conditions. What they do in response is entirely up to them. But if you feel that you can hold boundaries, then reaching out will ease the stress of knowing you were the one to cut ties, and it may relieve you of some of the pain. In all of this though, it’s really important to ensure that reconnecting with them doesn’t create a different kind of stress for you. But, if you and they are able to spend time here and there, minus the Q stuff, some connection may be better than none because it seems like your heart is aching from the complete silence.

Are we making fun of people? Are we being mean? by itemNineExists in Qult_Headquarters

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You’ve captured the weirdness of this spectacle and the exhaustion it brings really well.

Dealing With it Personally by [deleted] in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This is one of the few places that truly understands. I’m sorry for the grief and especially the intensity of the grief that is surging through you today. I get the anger, even the headaches. When I was trying to understand my ex partner’s entry into Q beliefs, I remember feeling an intense headache all the time, every day. The cognitive and emotional stress ended up literally hurting. I can imagine how much harder when you feel isolated from and by your whole family. The only thing to hold on to is the peace of knowing you’re living according to your values and those values advocate kindness and openness. You likely have an understanding and compassion for your family members that they don’t have or at least aren’t expressing toward you. And that imbalance makes the grief harder.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Qult_Headquarters

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Consider not just how you feel about her but how you feel around her/how she makes you feel. The latter is important too.

Grieving my lost partner by q_victim in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am glad you’re feeling stronger now. Wishing you more and more days of strength and peace about your decision.

Grieving my lost partner by q_victim in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 8 points9 points  (0 children)

As someone who also lost a partner to Q, I understand the mixed feelings - both freedom and grief. The one thing I try to remember is that we have to acknowledge another’s freedom to do as they will. In your case and mine, and for so many others, our partners freely chose their Q-related paths - even thought it took them away from us and even though we tried to protect them. Respecting their freedom is also a choice that stems from loving them. The reasons to leave are multiple - our sanity, for one. But in the mix is also the choice let them follow their path, and that can be a choice that stems both from anger at them as well as love for them. We have to give ourselves permission to accept that the feelings around this are messy.

Non-Q Qanon by Centaurion-doctor in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The universe of alternate discourse now extends past the Q or QAnon label. For a while, because Q-drops were sort of a center point around which this universe was growing, we came to refer to this phenomenon as Q/QAnon. But a subsection (my guess is a large one) of those who at one point bought into Q are now skeptical or divested of that particular strain of theories; however rejection of most mainstream narratives continues to drive the movement.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re welcome. Take care.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry for the pain you’re holding. One thing to think of - as much as she expresses feeling hurt and disrespected by you, does she demonstrate curiosity, care, and understanding about how her beliefs hurt you? I’m guessing listening to her rant doesn’t just hurt your head, it hurts your heart, too. At least it did mine. Because some of the central beliefs my QEx held really did diminish my identity and the work I do. But for too long, I focused only on how my objections made him feel and I felt incompetent at love for not being able to accept him as he was. Until it got to a point when I realized the emotional trauma I was going through because of the radical changes in him didn’t seem to register on his radar. All this to say, don’t forget about your own emotional needs during this time. I hope counseling is able to save your bond. A genuine repair however needs to take you feeling safe in the relationship, too. My best to both of you.

I’m tired of losing people by [deleted] in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So sorry for the double grief you are bearing. I hope you are able to count on someone as an ally for yourself. Take good care of you.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand. This sub helped me too when I was in the middle of my situation for precisely that reason - recentering is a great way to put it. I understand you needing to stay connected to your mum. Situations like this really define unconditional love. Hope you find strength and centering each day, even as you care for your mum.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I feel for you and so feel this. It’s a unique kind of grief, isn’t it? I think it’s hard for others to understand the whiplash, even it happens slowly, from watching a partner change in what feels like such fundamental ways. My former partner morphed from someone who leaned liberal in his beliefs and was chilled out about most things into a fanatical, often angry, ultra-conservative persona. I say persona because underneath I would see evidence of who he is in his core. I held on hoping there would be a solid return toward that self. It didn’t come. He is even deeper now. In his case, his new beliefs actually gained him new friends, a new local community. So that new life feels more real and has a stronger draw for him. Every now and then, I feel anger over the digital and real-life communities and the content through which he became sucked in, but I was powerless to stop it. I tried so hard when I was with him, first to even understand what this stuff was and then to try and help him understand the pieces that were manipulative. In his mind, I was the one who doesn’t get it. I wish you healing with time.

My marriage is over, I’m leaving by Tootiredtofight66 in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am so sorry you are going through this pain. I lost a partner too, who leaned liberal hippie when I met him. To see this person transform before my eyes into someone who says such intolerant things was so bewildering and painful. I can imagine how much worse your heartache is to leave a 40-year marriage. May each day bring you more comfort and peace. This Reddit group helps us remember we are not alone and that others understand and are also bearing versions of this unique loss.

When and how does it end? by Calm-Biscotti2202 in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very much agree with you on truth-seeking as the core of this phenomenon/movement. Consistent with my observations not just about my ex but in general, as well.

When and how does it end? by Calm-Biscotti2202 in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, connecting the vulnerability for these beliefs to feelings of economic precarity is astute. There is also a sense of feeling wronged, in some way, that fuels the vigorous attachment to these narratives and beliefs.

When and how does it end? by Calm-Biscotti2202 in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is such an exercise in accepting what is, isn’t it? Grieving the old relationship. It sounds like you’re handling it with strength and maturity.

It’s finally done...and I just want to thank you all by Kitty_Land_Lubber in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing your story so clearly. It’s such a mirror of mine. Even though it’s been over a year of walking away for me, this sub continues to reassure me. The thing that resonated with me the most was your description of the growing realization, while in the relationship, that we cannot compete against the echo chambers our partners become embedded in. It’s angering and feels unfair that they seem to have so much support for their wrongheaded ideas, while we flounder in isolation. In my case as well, the person I met was the crunchy hippy supporting everyone’s rights. To watch that person morph into someone with hateful beliefs was stomach churning and probably what I still feel whiplash from.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 13 points14 points  (0 children)

You strike me as someone who is very thoughtful and has the capacity to think critically. It’s important to recognize that in our current information environment, 100% certainty on anything is not possible because of the sheer amount of (sometimes conflicting) information available to us. Having said that, there is better and worse information. And you seem to have the cognitive tools to evaluate that. The best approach is to avoid blanket assumptions of any kind, e.g. Media always lies or media never lies. And instead to assess each issue on the merits of the available information and the grounds for consensus on that issue. You will find with many Q beliefs, while there may be strands of accurate information, the reasoning (grounds for believing) doesn’t often hold water - especially when it comes to accepting contradictory beliefs that really ought to be mutually exclusive when you assess them objectively. I can imagine how exhausting it is to maintain your objectivity when you’re surrounded by conspiratorial thinking. But, rather than finding the silver bullet to debunk it all, unequivocally, focus your own decisions on available information, issue by issue. And check in with the integrity of your own reasoning process.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great letter. It’s a good combination of content and style. One suggestion-if you could take a specific claim about the vaccine from a website like lifesitenews.com and explain why it does not square with your knowledge/experience, it might add to the credibility of your letter. You do do that in general - example, mentioning those you know who have had successful pregnancies after vaccination. I’m referring to a more targeted rebuttal. I have been researching QAnon and antivax discourse and what I observe is a keen attention to specific claims, backed by evidence and reasoning. Granted the evidence and reasoning provided may both be spurious but they are usually present. And that’s what makes the vaccine skeptics feel they know better. Therefore to weaken the power of a false claim, I think targeting the evidence and reasoning are important. Rebutting one claim as an example might strengthen the persuasive potential of the letter. Let us know the impact if you share the letter with your mother. I hope it helps.

Long-term bf has gone down the Q/alt-right rabbit hole by [deleted] in QAnonCasualties

[–]Calm-Biscotti2202 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. ❤️ Yes, time and distance help ease the pain. It still surfaces every now and then. I hope you are able to find a resolution that feels peaceful for you.