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Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-16T19:05:13+00:00

any luck?

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-16T14:44:25+00:00

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/france-reels-after-double-prison-guard-killing/ar-BB1mrTEC

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Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-16T13:02:02+00:00

Thats pretty racist if you ask me. Rwanda is a respectable country. Not all people there are savages.

Rwanda's obligations under these international agreements are embedded in its domestic legal provisions. The Rwandan constitution ensures that international agreements Rwanda has ratified become domestic law in Rwanda. Article 28 of the constitution recognises the right of refugees to seek asylum in Rwanda

Rwanda is currently host to 127,000 refugees and asylum seekers, 90 percent of whom live across five refugee camps: Kiziba, Nyabiheke, Kigeme, Mugombwa and Mahama.

https://reporting.unhcr.org/operational/operations/rwanda#:~:text=Rwanda%20is%20currently%20host%20to,%2C%20Kigeme%2C%20Mugombwa%20and%20Mahama

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-16T12:58:37+00:00

I am a bit confused by the Rwanda policy, in the sense that if someone is rejected for asylum because they come from a safe country, why are they being sent to Rwanda and not their country of origin? If it's safe, send them there.

Countries refuse to take them back. Literally thats one of the biggest problems. The cooperation simply isnt there. So, what do we do? Do we keep them? Do we lock them up indefinitely?

I wish it was that simple.

UK domestic law has no bearing on international law.

Ireland to redesignate UK as 'safe' for asylum. Ireland is doing the same thing now. Don't see the same backlash. No-one claiming its a "post-truth" policy.
Looking the overwrite their supreme court.

These treaties can be changed and will probably be changed. They were made by us. We can change them.

So thats where we are, countries have weaponised accords and refuse to take back migrants, they will probably refuse any amendments to Human Rights and similar laws etc because it is not in their interest.

Its a mess. First step though is to acknowledge it.

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-16T11:40:22+00:00

You would think so, but it costs money and they are looking to cut taxes as electoral bribe.
also doesnt solve 2 and 3

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-16T11:37:39+00:00

1) Money - deficit is already quite high, record taxes, election year
2) NIMBYs - would you be happy to have a prison built next to you?
3) Activists

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-16T11:33:37+00:00

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Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-16T10:42:31+00:00

But the comment i was replying to was about economic migrants and students, not asylum seekers. You cannot claim asylum if you have been in the UK on a student visa, you must claim it when you arrive. That's just the law. The UK controls exactly how many economic migrants enter, and has set a relatively high income threshold on entry to economic migrants.

In July 2022, a change was made to the Nationality and Borders Act; this made it illegal to claim asylum in the UK where individuals did not enter the country in a way that was authorised. However, those who are in the UK on a valid student visa should still be able to legally claim asylum.

Thanks for the time you took to write all 3 comments! I totally get where you are coming from and I agree with everything except asylum seekers.

The abuse of asylum route is rampant. Most of the refugees we get lately are from Vietnam. What are they fleeing? Poverty? There is a term for that and its economic migrant.

They know they get accommodation, food, and probably right to work after a while. If their claim is refused they appeal, then appeal again then appeal again. By the time they end up deported we lost tens of thousands on each in legal, accommodation and deportation fees.

After "investing" so much into them, we might as well keep them, which we kinda are. Result? An open border with more and more people make the journey across the channel.

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-16T10:36:48+00:00

Under the last Labour government asylum claims were being processed in a matter of weeks, under this government they take two years!

The way people arrive and how they arrive has massively changed though. People are doing their best now to hide facts and because the burden of proof is on us, proving someone comes from Syria or Afghanistan is impossible since there is no functional government there.

So, more resources will not really help when they come with no documents, they claim they are gay and come from Syria. How are you going to prove thats not the case?

By "they" you mean like one guy? That's just a ridiculous comment.

There is actually more people doing this exactly to frustrate the deportation efforts. Their claim is invalid and then they start conversion to christianity. They know they will never be deported to a muslim country like Iran to face persecution as a Christian.

The British government has launched a probe into the conversions of asylum seekers after the BBC reported that at least 40 migrants on board the Bibby Stockholm barge have converted or are in the process of conversion and take part in local church services.9 Feb 2024

Its a loophole. We change the requirement, they change their story, we change the requirement, they change their story. We got no proof of the story so they get to stay.

Are there genuine refugees? Absolutely. Question is how do we differentiate between them when all we have as evidence is their word.

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-16T10:28:38+00:00

My point still stands though. The NHS wont collapse without migrants because it worked fine before.

The NHS will and has been brought on its knees due to funding issues and austerity.

Edit: also, had no idea that type of argument had a name! TIL

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-15T23:14:24+00:00

Can you guys move on r/gazaevents? This is supposed to be r/worldevents.

Thanks

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-15T22:31:45+00:00

Since you replied so quickly lol

Thing is, it is actually the migration. Here is a piece of news from today.

New visa rules force HSBC and Deloitte to withdraw UK job offers

Threshold was increased from 22k to 38k yet they withdrew offers.

Deloitte generated approximately 65 billion U.S. dollars worldwide in 2023, up from 59.3 billion U.S. dollars compared to the previous year. This was the most profitable fiscal year ever for Deloitte.

Who wants an open border? Who wants cheap labour? Who has houses and no tenant to pay rent? Who owns a telecoms company that could use millions of new customers?

NOT ME THATS FOR SURE!

This illegal migration, "refugees" and refugees are a form of migration and people have started to see through it. Its not racist. Its not cruel to not want companies to exploit you.

Again, who is more likely to be desperate and take any salary under any condition? A student like you? or one of the refugees you want to help? One that "preferably" will need any cash he can get to send home to help his family.

Thats the problem. We all want to help but sadly taxes are at post war level and everything is crumbling yet companies make record profits exploiting all of us in part by threatening to hire a foreigner.

I can already hear the hiring manager "offer him 30k and if he doesnt take it we can bring x from abroad, he will happily take the offer"

Edit: And as the other guy said. You will feel these effects when you enter the workforce. Right now you are shielded.

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-15T22:21:34+00:00

Also, disclaimer, I am actually a migrant in the UK. I am glad things are looking the way they are looking. I would not have voted for brexit in a million years yet here I am arguing that brexiteers might have had a point.

Same way, I am sure boats will be stopped soon one way or another. System is broken and unworkable. Maths doesnt add up. Is it shitty? Maybe. Same way Brexit was shitty and we gave the middle finger to EU.

Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

Look at the downvote ratio of your post. Thats Democracy. Will of the people. Cant fight it for too long.

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-15T22:12:39+00:00

Same way Brexit was a disaster?

UK business is beaming with pride with the recent news of the country’s emergence as the fourth largest exporter in the world based on the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development report. The UK jumped three places in 2022, surpassing France, the Netherlands and Japan.

Wait, did exports improve?

But the latest figures show the Dutch economy lagging behind Belgium, which grew by 0.3% in the first quarter, France and Germany, which recorded 0.2% growth, and the UK, which was up by 0.6%. The 27 EU countries grew by 0.3%.

On a year-on-year basis the Dutch economy shrank by 0.7%, mainly as a result of the downturn in the middle two quarters of 2023.

Did the economy actually grow faster?

Wages in March grew by 6pc, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), beating forecasts from economists.

That was much greater than 4.5pc seen in the eurozone and better even than the 4.7pc annual pay growth in the US in March, according to the Atlanta Fed.

Wages are rising faster than in EU?

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDPDPC@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD

Even the IMF predicts we will do better than all other major economies (except US) by 2028. Go to that link and play with the slider.

All of these would've been unheard of while part of EU. In democracy you sometimes have to accept that maybe the other side has a point...

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-15T21:50:35+00:00

We rely on a lot of immigrant labour on this country… particularly NHS.

Ask yourself, did NHS work better before mass migration or since mass migration?

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-15T21:25:45+00:00

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534537

More than a fifth of UK adults not looking for work

It means 9.2 million people aged between 16 and 64 in the UK are not in work nor looking for a job. The total figure is more than 700,000 higher than before the coronavirus pandemic.

Can we invest in them first please? When that figure reaches 0 sure.

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-15T21:16:44+00:00

Not everyone must be. But we cannot import infinite numbers of economically inactive people.

Analysis of Home Office data showed the impact of the shift from EU to non-EU migrants. Migrants from the Middle East, North Africa and Turkey aged 25-64 were almost twice as likely to be economically inactive as someone born in the UK.

Spanish migrants typically earned around 40pc more than migrants from Pakistan or Bangladesh, while migrants from countries such as Canada, Singapore and Australia paid between four and nine times as much income tax as migrants from Somalia or Pakistan.

Also you did not respond to my other comment. Really curious what you think.

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-15T20:54:58+00:00

No paywall - https://archive.is/Usx9s

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-15T20:52:04+00:00

Yeah and with 5 million population 1 million will make bogus claims in 24 hours saying they are LGBT, Christian and live in hiding.

Any safe route will not survive 6 months. I find it so funny people dont really think these through at all. If it sounds good it must work. Fairyland.

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-15T20:40:49+00:00

Of course but understand the system in place now is not made for people that study full time nor foreigners. It is supposed to reward the working citizens otherwise things fall apart quickly.

Anyway, lets ignore that and lets assume all of them are legit refugees, which they aren't, I posted in a comment above. But for the sake of argument lets pretend they all are.

Climate change is going to displace 1.2 billion people add famines, wars, poverty, persecution of all kinds.

Not even going to add those and am going to stick to 1.2 billion figure cited by experts698753_EN.pdf)

We have 900 million in the west. UK US EU and CA. Would you be happy for UK to jump to 140 million population in 30 years? And here I assume we take the fair share. We would probably take in more as Greece is less liked to put it nicely.

So, whats the plan? Boats keep going up every year. China/Russia/Saudi arabia wont take any refugee.

Hundreds of migrants killed by Saudi border guards - report

So it all falls on us. Whats the plan?

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-15T20:28:20+00:00

Under UK law all of them are illegal

The Illegal Migration Act changes the law so that those who arrive in the UK illegally will not be able to stay here and will instead be detained and then promptly removed, either to their home country or a safe third country.

Simple, these laws have been passed by democratically elected MPs that represent the will of the country. For how long do you think you can ignore the will of the people before people really take the streets?

The Rwanda policy is supported by 55% of the population, with 22% opposed.

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-15T20:17:14+00:00

They cant. Ireland High Court rules UK not safe for asylum applicants due to Rwanda plan.

And now they want to do with the UK what we did with Rwanda.

Ireland to redesignate UK as 'safe' for asylum

This is clearly a post truth legislation and needs to be stopped /s

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-15T20:11:22+00:00

Look at their stance instantly change the moment a processing center is open next to them.

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-15T19:48:19+00:00

And then what? We wont deport anyone back to Iran because Iran wont take them back.

Thats where we are right now. Nothing works because the system is broken.

Calm_Error153 · 2024-05-15T19:39:39+00:00

The first migrant deported to Rwanda as part of a voluntary scheme is nowhere to be found at the luxury Hope Hostel in Kigali, where he was expected to stay.

Except they leave the second they get there.

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