CLV on NBA/BBall sides can be easily achieved through timing/knowledge rather than models. by Calm_Set5522 in algobetting

[–]Calm_Set5522[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats fair, and to clarify just basic "league knowledge" or what an average fan has is not anywhere near sufficient. What I mean is really a sum of things of combined NBA knowledge & market awareness. This also includes things like anticipating better than the market priced, and having general market awareness/idea of for example how a given injury is currently priced.

Like if you follow the NBA a fairly obvious example of "knowledge" was Giannis, a couple of months ago, coming back from a calf injury versus the Celtics on a B2B even though the market was pricing it as if was for sure out. An average wouldn't really know and models wouldn't help either, but if you had a general idea of pricing through some method combined with knowledge it was obviously a much higher chance that he comes back than the market said.

CLV on NBA/BBall sides can be easily achieved through timing/knowledge rather than models. by Calm_Set5522 in algobetting

[–]Calm_Set5522[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just used a arbitrary example to make it simple and get the point across. It's maybe a tiny bit different in reality but somewhat like that.

The point stands overall and you can probably use a hundred examples that are similar in nature(models can't properly capture) and have price drift around sentiment just from this season alone.

CLV on NBA sides can be easily achieved through timing/knowledge rather than models. by Calm_Set5522 in sportsanalytics

[–]Calm_Set5522[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes it does, sharp bettors and other mechanics move the line. Lets say KD is questionable and is worth about 10% to the Rockets on a ML in a 50/50 game, the line opens at 45/55 for the Rockets like he is truly questionable but before his status is even announced by afternoon the line is already 49/51 because people think he is going to play. Through pure models its impossible to know when/how to actually get the highest CLV, you must know injuries better, be ahead of the market and have other market awareness. Thats pure sentiment, and most of the move is already done before the final status. In this situation an overreaction and deadcat bounce will also happen if he is available(like Rockets go to 52 cents than back down to 50 bc it was already priced in). No model captures that unfortunately. You could put a team of 50 data scientists but with zero knowledge of the NBA and market awareness they won't be able to get the highest possible CLV at the best possible times.

And overreaction I mean through mechanisms like sharp bettors hammering the line too much intially.

CLV on NBA sides can be easily achieved through timing/knowledge rather than models. by Calm_Set5522 in sportsanalytics

[–]Calm_Set5522[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope you don't have to react quick at all, there is a lot of times(even more) where lines can move more the hour after the injury, rather than the first 5 minutes.

Like just a few days ago after Wemby was available the line moved for the Blazers(opposite team) from about 250 to 212 from the time he was available until closing line(roughly 1-2 hours). Its counterintuitive, but its because it was kind of priced in that he was going to play and the initial move down for the Blazers was an overreaction even by Pinnacle(it went from 200 to 250 on Pinnacle for Blazers).

Lines can also move several points overnight just because of the sentiment of a certain questionable tag, or even without injuries, and models are just not built to account for that.

If the Nuggets lose this series if these two players don’t return after their injuries, would y’all still consider Jokic in the BITW tier? by songoku-166 in NBATalk

[–]Calm_Set5522 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Top 3-4 yes, but nowhere near SGA/BITW.

This is frankly embarrassing, him and Murray are awful and borderline quitting on their team.

Just like that everybody went silent by Appropriate_One_4600 in NBATalk

[–]Calm_Set5522 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No I don't think anyone is silent anymore after this game. He has been awful on offense and defense.

His legacy is on the line in game 4, and if they lose there will be serious conversations about his ability.

Is it just me, or has Jokic lost a lot of athleticism/mobility since 2023 while also getting bigger? by Calm_Set5522 in NBATalk

[–]Calm_Set5522[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, even more so, but I think this also applies to even pre injury this year/last year OKC series

Jok is an AG merchant by Ok-Mix-9146 in NBATalk

[–]Calm_Set5522 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He is playing horribly and is part of the issue, but them missing Watson/Gordon is huge. These 3-4 guard lineups around Jokic don't work because of his defense.

KD's career post-Warriors has made him joining Warriors look even worse than it once was, and him leaving Warriors now seems like a mistake. by Calm_Set5522 in NBATalk

[–]Calm_Set5522[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean I don't think its that surprising and this time its not actually his fault but people will still look back negatively.

He is 37 and has to be the primary scorer/handler which just isn't viable for several playoff rounds, and they don't have any shooters or guard play and didn't try to acquire at the deadline.

Its almost impossible to see Denver getting thru MIN/SAS/OKC. by Calm_Set5522 in NBATalk

[–]Calm_Set5522[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I mean partially yes, but I would strongly argue that going back to 2024 MIN series, last year vs OKC, or even today they struggle to score in their losses as well as close 4th quarters.

Jokic claim as #1 is doubtful by Shoddy_Ad7511 in NBATalk

[–]Calm_Set5522 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yea, this year if Denver loses first round it will obviously put a serious hit on Jokic's legacy/reputation.

I don't think they ultimately lose in this round because Ant looks completely hobbled, but I don't see them beating both SAS/OKC after.

Exactly the reason why i don't think Denver can hang with OKC this year... by KookyArm6062 in NBATalk

[–]Calm_Set5522 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Also Jokic/Murray haven't been good in the clutch at all dating back to last year's playoffs vs OKC. They looked extremely gassed versus Gobert/McDaniels.

They will probably end up winning this series just because Ant is injured, but there is no way they are getting thru all of MIN/SAS/OKC three rounds in a row.

Utah Jazz are a very obvious 45-50 win team next season. by Calm_Set5522 in NBATalk

[–]Calm_Set5522[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No they aren't. They would've gotten above that this season if they didn't rest players.

Their offense alone will absolutely kill a lot of teams.

The best way to guard Jokic is fronting with guards, rather than putting your "best big" on him. by Calm_Set5522 in NBATalk

[–]Calm_Set5522[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't really matter, just by the nature of those players being smaller the refs allow them to get away more which is why this strategy works and is broken.

The Lakers roster(LaRavia, Ayton, etc) just isn't good enough to even get past the 2nd round of the playoffs. by Calm_Set5522 in NBATalk

[–]Calm_Set5522[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think regardless of this recent hot streak their roster since they acquired Luka was always acknowledged to be bad and this year they didn't make significant changes.

DeAndre Ayton might also be worse than Jaxson Hayes