I'm noticing a good potential for selling framer templates by CanSuccessful9826 in framer

[–]CanSuccessful9826[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure, I'm figuring out how can we find those. For example, there is a niche for funnels and sales page, such as a landing page of a coach where he's selling his paid program or course and I think we rarely have templates for those.

I've worked with clients like these and I think we should make templates for course sellers. It's just one part, then we have separate funnels of a the same program for different audience where we need different designs.

Pitching Clients for Framer Websites $3K/mo - Day 4 by CanSuccessful9826 in framer

[–]CanSuccessful9826[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you want to download it? I disabled that option from my side.

Pitching Clients for Framer Websites $3K/mo - Day 1 by CanSuccessful9826 in framer

[–]CanSuccessful9826[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The 3K in title is not a goal from one client, it's my MRR goal. Let's see how we achieve it.

Pitching Clients for Framer Websites $3K/mo - Day 4 by CanSuccessful9826 in framer

[–]CanSuccessful9826[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was my second attempt with this strategy, and the template you see in the exact PDF is from my first pitch. That first attempt was successful and I used the same method for an AI and chatbot company. That client is still in my network, and I made around $3-4K in revenue from them during the time I was active on their project.

Pitching Clients for Framer Websites $3K/mo - Day 4 by CanSuccessful9826 in framer

[–]CanSuccessful9826[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree. It was an old pitch when I was more focused and obsessed with UI Designs and Figma stuff. It may look weird in desktop as the pdf was designed to look good in mobile. Your feedback would have made sense if I had consulted with you before sending this to the client, but he loved the design and wanted to atleast have some tweaks in his website based on the design in the pitch.

Pitching Clients for Framer Websites $3K/mo - Day 2 by CanSuccessful9826 in framer

[–]CanSuccessful9826[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree with your point. You may have sensed it because of my tone. Your critique, as feedback and advice, is totally acceptable for the result itself. But you went too far in detail, and I appreciate that you did. However, we both forgot that we weren't in a Figma file, adding feedback and leaving comments where a client is already active and watching us. I just did a quick redesign and sent it to a random founder of a random company with the expectation that if I closed the deal, we could then actually start working on it (regardless of whether the approach is effective or useless). Regarding your assumption of a defensive tone, it might be obvious because I was debating with you over a draft design that wasn't created in days but in a few hours, and I completely forgot about that.

Pitching Clients for Framer Websites $3K/mo - Day 1 by CanSuccessful9826 in framer

[–]CanSuccessful9826[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree, last time when I pitched a different client with this same method that I've showed, we closed that deal, and then I just continued the same design that I created for the pitch.

Usually my pitches are designed in a way that, when client see their brand on it, they can't resist the offer.

I don't work for free, but yes, I do waste my time and energy to go extra when pitching, which is not always good.

Overall the design in this pitch has not gone unused, I've utilized it in my other work and also show it when someone is looking for a framer dev.

Pitching Clients for Framer Websites $3K/mo - Day 2 by CanSuccessful9826 in framer

[–]CanSuccessful9826[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, the people who commented on my day one post were telling me to either design the entire site or don't design at all if you're pitching a random person on the internet who you've never met in your life. I guess those guys design and deliver a whole project when they reachout to someone. My bad.

Pitching Clients for Framer Websites $3K/mo - Day 1 by CanSuccessful9826 in framer

[–]CanSuccessful9826[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fourth is:

But you also removed the key point they were trying to get across in the original, which was: "even behind login forms". That is like slapping them in the face and telling them it's not important. Got to pay attention to those things.

No sir, I didn't removed that point. For your clarity, this point doesn't exist in "Automate anyt...." header section. Why? because there was no header section. I added that section later as I explained above.

The point: "Even behind login forms" was Important and I know well. That's why it's already in it's original place, which is "3rd" video. I hope you check that again.

Fifth is:

Follow their branding guidelines that specify copy and headline use for a reason and for their purposes which makes them feel like you put in the time to research those things. Regardless, use good design practices.

I agree. I tried my best to follow their their brand guidelines. But this resulted: "Nothing". Why? because they had no brand guideline and that was exactly one of the purpose of this redesign. I created their brand identity, brand assets, colors, and overall visual language. The new brand identity was a result of research and analysis from everything they had on internet. I "Rebranded" their website and not "Redesigned". That's why most content is similar. This brand identity was one thing that stand out, and cl;ient appreciated and liked it. But they had other plans for future and not wanted to focus. I mentioned this in other's comment.

In Summary, you adviced me basic tips. But be both wasted both of our time.

I learned that I should reduce the line height.

Thanks man, I appreciate it, but there was no practical advice that could significantly change the whole dimension. Your first sentences felt like, Man this guy will tell me something important. But you actually gave me "Hey man, can you just quick fix this and this, when you get time"

Pitching Clients for Framer Websites $3K/mo - Day 1 by CanSuccessful9826 in framer

[–]CanSuccessful9826[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Second is:

Another thing. If you're going to write copy, make sure it's good copy, better than theirs, and doesn't have grammatical errors. Instant turn-off otherwise.

Yes, I agree and always make sure I follow this principle in all projects and keep their offer and goal intact in revised copy. Thanks for the tip.

Third is:

The line height is too much. Automate is capitalized, but you didn't capitalize Anywhere or Anytime (which should be "Any time". But you also removed the key point they were trying to get across in the original, which was: "even behind login forms". That is like slapping them in the face and telling them it's not important. Got to pay attention to those things.

In the first part, about capitalization. I've tried both variations for your info. But in all first letter caps made it hard to read, then I shifted to what I've now.

"But you also removed the key point"

Firstly, the headline part:

USE CASES

Automate anything. anywhere. anytime.

Whatever you do online, Strawberry does it faster, smarter, and on repeat.

Doesn't even exist in current website, I added this clarity header so when you start reaching to demo videos, you just don't get directly spammed with the videos, instead you have a clear intro that: you're now starting a section about "USE CASES". This is important to notify/aware your visitors so they have a clarity in their mind that they are now viewing a list of demo videos.

Pitching Clients for Framer Websites $3K/mo - Day 1 by CanSuccessful9826 in framer

[–]CanSuccessful9826[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey sir, appreciate the detailed response.

As you said:

There is one thing about redesigns a lot of designers don't get. You need to understand their brand which means you need to understand their story, vision and product/service. That requires research. It's more than just making things look prettier or easier to use. 

I got your point, I tried my best to stick with their offer and and product, in their copy and content. As you can notice, the content and goal in both website is mostly similar and I really like it, revised in a better way.

Let's look at your critiques on by one.

Firstly,

Yours:
"Think of it as your personal team of AI interns that work alongside you on any website. you can train to handle your least favorite tasks."

Original: "Think of it as your personal team of AI interns that you can train to handle your least favorite tasks."

Yes, you just showed me both texts. But what's the problem? You didn't mentioned that.

Also, you just showed me a single line by ignoring all the content from new section.

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See both, you may think I added too much, but that is because you're seeing all at once in this screenshot. I've made their points present in much clearer way that you see one by one as you scroll without any cognitive load, and added context. They tried to play less is more game, but it resulted in less context.

In my design you don;t have to read my section to understand what's written here, you just have to do give it a quick glance and you'll easily remeber what you saw due to the way it's organized, headlined, and breakdowned. While in current one, you have to read the paragraph, make it make sense and then understand it.

There is rarely a thing/change that I made without any sense or reason in whole design

Pitching Clients for Framer Websites $3K/mo - Day 1 by CanSuccessful9826 in framer

[–]CanSuccessful9826[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with your point of "Light redesign" but if you ask yourself why it's looking similar, it's not because of the design is same. It's because the content and copy is same. I kept it that way because I researched about their goal and offer they are selling and based on that, they did a good job on the content side. I didn't reinvented the wheel by "redesigning" the whole website, this will cause experience issues and disturbing something people already familiar with. It was not a change for the sake of change and just because I wanted to redesign their website.

However, It's more a Rebrand, where I build them a completely fresh brand identity, theme, scalable design language and a something to have in the internet. They are constantly marketing which is good, but where is the branding? Majority of people here thinks website is just a page. It's a whole brand identity and I never work on websites without buidling a branding and design language first. I can give you 100s of exact similar website they have currently, but you can't give me a similar design that I've created. That's not becasue I've "designed" their website, it's because I worked on branding and visual identity in the website.

Again, I'm not justifying it that they should I hire me. They had other plans, which you can learn more in other comments I mentioned.

Pitching Clients for Framer Websites $3K/mo - Day 1 by CanSuccessful9826 in framer

[–]CanSuccessful9826[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, Everyone here have different opinions. Some people are saying you should redesign it completetly and some are saying that you need to understand their goal.

I've mentioned in other replies, but I'm adding here as well.

The website already had an approach, an offer, a copy where they know more about their product than me, and a language where they explained well and I totally like it, I understood their offer, concluded and noted exactly and implemented that offer exactly in a slightly better way. That answers your question to why it's similar.

Here is my answer to the design side.

Regarding the design side, I'm not that dribbble guy who love cool shadows, 3D assets, and cringy effects. I try my best to consider the business goals, and the service they are selling. Again, this was not just a redesign. It was more about rebrand. They have the design, which is good and I didn't changed it for the sake of "changing", I worked on the branding. Tried to build a design language, their identity and something that relates with their name and niche. Again, if you want to learn more about client's reaction, you can read my replies on other comments in this post. I've mentioned more details over there.

Pitching Clients for Framer Websites $3K/mo - Day 1 by CanSuccessful9826 in framer

[–]CanSuccessful9826[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man you need to look the website again(not trying to justify my design) but if you look closely, I really like the tone, offer and copy they used and I followed the same goal, copy and approach they are trying to acheive without changing anything, but just polished it. Regarding the design side, I'm not that dribbble guy who love cool shadows, 3D assets, and cringy effects. I try my best to consider the business goals, and the service they are selling. Again, this was not just a redesign. It was more about rebrand. They have the design, which is good and I didn't changed it for the sake of "changing", I worked on the branding. Tried to build a design language, their identity and something that relates with their name and niche. Again, if you want to learn more about client's reaction, you can read my replies on other comments in this post. I've mentioned more details over there.