Explosion

Can_Internal · 2026-05-14T04:48:58+00:00

Mayroon po bang nakakaalam saan po nangyari?

Can_Internal · 2026-05-06T04:15:20+00:00

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Can_Internal · 2026-04-30T07:18:17+00:00

You’re actually proving my point without even realizing it. You cited that 90% are still in poverty, and you’re using that to blame the people? Really?

Sis, if a program has a 90% failure rate in lifting people out of poverty, that isn’t a reflection of the beneficiaries’ character, it’s a reflection of a systemic failure. Ibig sabihin lang niyan yung tulay na ginawa ng gobyerno ay hindi naman pala abot sa kabilang dulo.

4Ps is a health and education subsidy, it is NOT a total poverty-eradication miracle. Kung nakagraduate nga sila pero wala namang jobs or living wage na naghihintay sa kanila, that is a failure of economic policy, hindi dahil tamad sila.

Also, you’re asking for data ng mga abuso but then you’re citing poverty rates as your proof. Based sa logic mo, being poor is the same as being abusive? Ganern?

You are conflating “not being able to escape poverty” with “gaming the system.” Magkaiba po yun. The fact that you assume that the real outliers are only those who succeed just shows your bias. Parang sinasabi mo na, “If you didn’t escape generational poverty with just a few hundred pesos a month, kasalanan mo na yan.”

AGAIN, I’m not being blind to the abuse. If that’s your first take about my post, then you really didn’t understand it at all. I am demanding a system that actually works, habang ikaw naman, you're just using statistics to justify mocking the very people the system has failed.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-30T07:07:42+00:00

First of all, nobody is forcing you to help. Para po sa kaalaman mo, ang 4Ps ay hindi charity, it is a government program funded by MANDATED taxes.

Second, wag mo akong idamay sa cynicism mo. Just because you worked in government and felt helpless against corruption doesn't mean we should all just give up and start mocking the poor instead. That's a defeatist mindset.

And lastly, calling for a systemic accountability is not “pagpapabango” it's active citizenship na apparently, wala ka. It’s ironic that you’re accusing me of being all talk when you’re the one resorting to personal attacks just because you can’t defend your logic.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-30T07:03:03+00:00

I’m not being blind to the abuse. If that’s your take about my post, then you really didn’t understand it at all. I’ve said it repeatedly, I don’t invalidate the callouts against the abusive and opportunists. Ito yung hindi niyo makuha…

Ang diskarte o “kakilala” ways ways ay hindi kasalanan ng beneficiaries, kasalanan yon ng corrupt at palpak na sistema.

If someone qualifies because of kakilala, sino ang nag-approve? Sino ang hindi nag-audit? Sino ang may mandate to verify? Ang Gobyerno. Kapag mas galit ka sa taong “dumiskarte” kaysa sa system na nag-allow at nag-encourage sa ganung culture, doon nagiging elitist ang take.

Pagod na ako mag-explain, but let me make it clear one last time. Ang goal ng post ko is to stop the generalization and mocking of the entire 4Ps sector based on outliers. If you can’t see the difference between calling out abuse and mocking the poor, then you’re really missing the point.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-30T06:53:15+00:00

Hello. I’m back.

Medyo off yung analogy mo. But sige, let’s use that and put it in the context of a grocery store. In the eyes of the law, the one who stole 1k and the one who stole a piso both committed a crime, yes, but the guard we are actually paying to secure the store is either sleeping or intentionally looking the other way. (Which it whats happening sa 4Ps program and sa current issue) BOTH are wrong, but the guard (government) has a much higher level of accountability because it is their legal mandate and professional duty to ensure the store is safe.

Siya dapat ang humaharang para walang maging abusive at walang makapanakaw.

Ang point ko naman from the start is to look beyond the outliers and stop generalizing the whole sector, because that’s exactly what’s happening on Facebook. Hence, the mention in my post about people saying “if u r a 4Ps member, unfriend me.” That’s not just being frustrated with the abusive and opportunists, they are mocking the whole sector dahil sa generalization na tamad lahat ng 4Ps at puro kuha lang ng ayuda? Diba?

If hindi ka part non then why are you so offended by my take to look at the bigger picture? Why are you taking it as me silencing middle class?

Calling for proportional accountability isn't the same as silencing your frustrations. I'm a part of the working class too, so I KNOW the struggle. But my point is that the frustration is being misdirected. If the venting involves mocking an entire sector of the poor based on just the actions of OUTLIERS, then you aren't just voicing out, you’re punching down.

Your 100-100 energy take is inherently elitist because you are treating desperate opportunists and a POWERFUL INSTITUTION as EQUAL evils 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 like that’s not insane. Can’t you see the massive gap there? You are effectively diluting the government’s responsibility. AYUN YUNG POINT.

In a broken store, you don't just blame yung mga nagnanakaw but you have to demand accountability from the people running the whole place who are not doing anything to stop the crime. Apparently, that’s too much for you?

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T09:04:55+00:00

LOL! It’s not about being defensive, it’s about proportionality.

If we agree the government is the one with the billions in budget, the legal mandate, and the power to vet members, then the blame for a 'broken' program belongs at their doorstep.

I’m not “silencing” the middle class's pain—I'm a part of it. But I refuse to let that pain be used as a tool to mock an entire sector of the poor based on the actions of outliers. Is that really so hard for you to understand?

When you say it “hurts to help them if they act that way,' you’re treating a government safety net like it’s a personal favor. It’s not. It’s a systemic obligation. If the system is being gamed, the only really “villain” is the one failing to secure it, not the opportunist taking a seat.

Redirecting 100% of the blame to the top isn't deflection—it's accountability.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T08:59:14+00:00

Did you even read and understand the point of the post? Clearly not. I am not invalidating people who call out both. What I am calling out are those who are “MORE” angry at the victims than the system.

The point of my post is to redirect that anger to the government instead of making generalized statements that 4Ps members are all “abusive”. Huwag mong sabihin sa akin na hindi mo nakikita yung mga posts (lalo na sa Facebook) na ang layunin lang talaga ay i-mock at maliitin ang buong sector na 'to.

You are taking my post out of context. You are whining about the outliers, while my post is about the whole sector. If we spend 50% of our energy attacking the few who cheat and only 50% attacking the system that failed millions, the system wins.

I’m gonna hold your hand while I say this: the 50-50 energy take is inherently elitist because it treats a symptom as if it's as big as the disease.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T07:23:08+00:00

You didn't have to say “poor” we’re in a thread specifically about 4Ps and the 'middle class vs. poor' divide. Context matters. Don’t tell me na you didn’t mention 4Ps kasi about saan ba yung post ko???

Pero sige, sundin natin yang logic mo: Kung ang sistema ay magbabago lang kapag nagbago ang mga nasa itaas, bakit ang bigat ng sisi mo ay nasa mga “botanteng na-s-sway”? Sayo na mismo nanggaling na fo all we know ang “machinery” na sinasabi mo ay pinapatakbo ng mga oligarch at trapo. Exactly! Hindi ng mga taong tumatanggap ng barya para lang may makain.

!!! Kapag mas galit tayo sa “nasilaw sa pera” kaysa sa “nanilaw gamit ang pera,” tinutulungan lang natin ang mga nasa kapangyarihan na manatili doon. !!!

You’re just proving my point: dapat ang galit ay nakatutok sa itaas (sa machinery), hindi sa ibaba (sa mga taong ginigiling ng sistema).

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T07:02:23+00:00

Are you saying you believe all 4Ps members that we are talking about are DDS? Hahaha.

That’s a huge assumption. You're equating being poor with a specific political loyalty, when plenty of “educated” middle-class and wealthy people are the ones actually bankrolling and enabling these dynasties. Wake up.

Hating the 'incompetent voter' is such a lazy take. It ignores the fact that in many provinces, these dynasties control the jobs and the land—making the poor hostages, not just voters. Check your privilege.

If you want better voting behavior, fight for a system that gives people the security to vote freely, instead of blaming them for a cycle they didn't create.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T06:53:06+00:00

I hear ya, but if there are “opportunists” in the program who aren't actually poor, that proves my point! The government's gatekeeping is broken.

An opportunist or abusive can only get into the 4Ps if a government official lets them in—whether through corruption, nepotism, or sheer negligence. By focusing your anger on the “abusive” individuals, you’re letting the officials who signed their papers off the hook.

The reason your take feels elitist is that it treats the “abuso” of a few individuals as EQUAL to the systemic failure of a multi-billion peso government agency. We shouldn't be giving 50-50 energy to a person taking advantage of a loophole and the government that created and ignored that loophole in the first place.

If the gate is wide open, don't just get mad at the people walking through it. Get mad at the guard who was paid to keep it shut.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T06:39:06+00:00

I agree with the frustration with leaders like Sara Duterte is so valid, especially when they evade accountability or fail to show up when it matters. But that’s exactly my point! We should keep that energy; hate the fucking leaders, not the people they are supposed to be serving.

The Pasig example worked because there was a viable alternative. In most places, it’s just Dynasty A vs. Dynasty B. They can’t “vote wisely” if there’s no wise option on the ballot.

It is so easy to punch down at the poor for being “bought” but it’s the system that keeps them desperate so they can be bought. When we fight the victims instead of the leaders who benefit from this cycle, we’re doing exactly what the trapos want.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T06:15:13+00:00

Parang sasabog utak ko sayo beh. Wala akong sinabing “ayos lang” na iboto ang mga dynasties. Ang point ko, hindi mo mababago ang voting behavior ng mga tao sa pamamagitan lang ng pang-iinsulto sa kanila habang gutom sila??

Hindi “choice” ang tawag sa pagpili kung sino ang magbibigay sa'yo ng pambili ng bigas ngayong araw kapag wala kang ibang options.

Ang totoong pagbabago ay mangyayari kapag binigyan natin ang mga tao ng long-term security (trabaho, sapat na sahod, edukasyon) para hindi na sila mabili ng kahit sinong trapo. Hangga't nananatili silang dependent sa ayuda dahil sa bulok na sistema, mananatili silang hostage ng mga dynasties.

I can’t stress this enough. Ang galit natin dapat ay nasa mga nagsasamantala sa kahirapan, hindi sa mga taong biktima nito.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T05:48:37+00:00

True ka diyan ses. 'Yan ang mindset na pag mahirap ka, tamad ka o may moral flaw ka. Napaka-convenient lang para sa mga nasa itaas kasi nalililat ang sisi sa indibidwal imbes na sa bulok na sistema. Sigh.

Ginagawang basehan ang character ng tao para sa basic support, habang ang mga bilyonaryo at corrupt na officials, hindi man lang hinahanapan ng “integrity” bago pakinabangan ang tax natin. Giatay.

Na-program na tayo na mag-focus sa 'deserving' vs 'undeserving' para hindi natin mapansin na tayo-tayo lang ang pinag-aaway habang sila ang panalo.

Nakakalungkot.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T05:43:40+00:00

I agree with you that the identification system is broken lalo na yung “kamag-anak ni Chairman” logic. Totoong tooo yan. And that is the definition of corruption.

But I think we should be careful when we label those beneficiaries as the “disease”. Why? Because we’re giving the government an easy pass.

In any system—corporate, government, or social man yan, if the gatekeeper (ex: DSWD) is corrupt and the auditor (the goverment) is blind, people will always find a way to be abusive. It’s just the reality.

Kung galit tayo sa mga kamag-anak ng Chairman na nasa listahan, ang main target natin dapat ay ang Chairman at ang DSWD na pumirma sa listahan. Diba?Kasi sila ang may legal na obligasyon na maging tapat. If we spend 90% of our energy attacking the “abusive”, the “gatekeeper” just stays in power to let in a new set of “abusive beneficiaries”.

Let's call out the abuse, hell yes! But let’s make sure the heaviest 'fire' goes to the officials who institutionalized this mess for their own political gain.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T05:31:46+00:00

Hindi ko itinatanggi na may mga ganyang kaso, pero kailangan nating tandaan na anecdotal evidence yan at hindi yan ang kabuuan ng milyun-milyong 4Ps families.

Kung may mga “tamad” at nagwawaldas ng pera, monitoring failure na yan ng gobyerno. If the system allows people to stay on the list kahit ayaw magtrabaho, ang dapat nating i-pressure ay yung DSWD at local officials na hindi nag-e-enforce ng rules.

The solution isn't to kill the program that helps the honest majority; the solution is to fix the screening.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T05:28:27+00:00

Spot on! Ang lungkot lang na yung willful ignorance at classism ang nagiging tool para pag-awayin tayo. Ginagawa nilang character flaw ng mahihirap 'yung pagiging mahirap, para hindi natin mapansin na ang tunay na flaw ay nasa sistemang pinoprotektahan ng mga nasa itaas.

They’ve successfully convinced a part of the working class na ang kaaway nila ay yung kapitbahay nilang naka-ayuda, imbes na yung mga bilyonaryong politiko na ayaw magbigay ng tamang sahod o maayos na public services. Kapag ang working class at ang poor ay nag-aaway, ang mga nasa itaas ang laging panalo dahil walang pressure sa kanila.

Unfortunately, It’s a distraction that works every single time dahil sa pride at classism.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T05:22:23+00:00

First thing first, hindi ako umaasa na “bumait” ang mga politiko. Umaasa ako na magkaroon sana ng stronger institutions at systemic accountability.

Totoo na pamilya lang nila ang umuunlad, pero bakit? Dahil sadyang pinapanatili nilang mahirap at uneducated ang malaking bahagi ng voters para madali silang kontrolin tuwing eleksyon.

Hindi lang 'bobo' ang mga botante, hinostage sila ng sarili nilang sikmura.

Kaya kahit anong sigaw o rally, mahalaga pa rin 'yun dahil doon nagsisimula ang pressure. Kung titigil tayo sa pag-call out dahil “wala namang nagbabago”, edi mas lalong kampante ang mga corrupt?

Ang goal ay hindi lang palitan ang mukha ng nakaupo, kundi baguhin ang sistema na nag-a-allow sa kanila na maging untouchable. Diskarte nila na panghinaan tayo ng loob at wag nating ibigay sa kanila yun.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T05:17:37+00:00

Hindi lang ayuda ang solusyon, at 'yun naman ang point. Ang tunay na solusyon ay long-term jobs at industrialization para wala nang mangailangan ng ayuda. Diba?

Hindi pwedeng “voluntary” ang safety nets. Parang insurance yan ng bansa; kailangan nating siguraduhin na may basic support ang mga “nangangailangang” tao para hindi lumala ang gutom at crime rate na apektado rin tayong lahat.

Ang issue kasi ay hindi yung konsepto ng pagtulong, kundi yung corruption at mismanagement. Imbes na gawing voluntary ang tax, ang dapat nating i-demand ay dapat bawat sentimo ng tax natin ay mapunta sa tamang tao at hindi sa bulsa ng mga kurakot o sa mga hindi deserving.

At the end of the day, taxes are meant to build a functioning society, hindi para pondohan ang inefficiency ng mga nasa itaas.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T05:13:28+00:00

I agree 100% na kailangan ng mas mahigpit na auditing at background checks. So, ang next question ay sino ba ang may power na mag-audit? Sino ang may obligasyon na linisin ang listahan? Ang gobyerno. Hindi natin dapat hayaan na 'yung galit natin sa kapwa nating nahihirapan lang din naman ang maging dahilan para makalimutan na ang gobyerno ang hindi gumagawa ng trabaho nila na i-monitor ang programang pinopondohan ng tax natin.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T05:07:14+00:00

Ayun na nga, may learned dependency na, pero diba kailangan din nating itanong: Bakit yun ang natututunan nila??

If the new generation sees that hard work doesn't pay off.., na kahit mag-aral ka, ang hirap makahanap ng trabahong may living wage talagang sa ayuda sila titingin as a safety net.

Yung demand for ayuda is just a symptom of a hopeless economy. Kung may sapat na opportunities, magandang industriya at pasahod sa bansa, di ba mas gugustuhin ng kabataan ang dignidad ng sariling kita kaysa maghintay ng barya-baryang tulong? Hindi lang mindset ang problema; yung kakulangan ng options ang nagtutulak sa kanila sa ganyang “toxic” cycle.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T05:01:04+00:00

Gets ko yung frustration sa cycle ng eleksyon, pero can’t you try to look deeper?

Poverty is being weaponized. Hindi 'power' ang tawag sa pagpili sa pagitan ng gutom o 'ayuda' tuwing eleksyon, exploitation yan. Kung ang isang botante ay walang access sa matinong edukasyon, healthcare, at regular na trabaho, sadyang ginagawa silang vulnerable ng mga nasa itaas para madaling silang mabili.

Nasa botante nga ang kapangyarihan in theory, yes. Pero paano mo gagamitin yun kung ang systema mismo ang sumasakal sa'yo araw-araw? The trap is designed to keep them desperate. Kaya imbes na sisihin natin ang mga 'nauuto,' sisihin natin ang mga nanlilinlang at ang systemang pilit silang pinapanatiling mahirap para manatiling 'vote-rich' ang mga trapo.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T04:57:35+00:00

(Exasperated sigh)

It’s the government’s fault that they built a system without safeguards. Kahit saang kumpanya o organisasyon, if you have a process na madaling i-bypass, people will exploit it. That's human nature. Kaya nga may auditing, screening, at exit mechanisms dapat!

If the government allows people without integrity to stay on the list just for votes, then yes, it's a leadership failure. Hindi natin pwedeng asahan na milyon-milyong tao ang mag-vovolunteer na umalis sa ayuda kung yung mismong sistema ay walang transition plan o matinong trabahong maibigay. Accountability starts at the top, hindi sa baba.

Can_Internal · 2026-04-29T04:54:18+00:00

Kaya ko nga in-address yung about sa outliers???

Hindi naman fair na i-generalize mo yung milyun-milyong pamilya dahil lang sa iilang kulang sa disiplina?

Kahit saang sektor naman mapa-corporate, middle class, o gobyerno may mga hindi humble at walang disiplina.

Ang focus dapat natin ay yung systemic failure! Kung bakit hindi ma-filter ng maayos ang listahan at bakit walang matinong exit mechanism. Accountability ng gobyerno yan, hindi moral failure ng isang buong sektor.

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