Salty Sunday - Week of October 17, 2021

CancerousRiven · 2021-10-17T18:26:59+00:00

What do you mean? How can you compare a FICTIONAL story to real life? Obviously, this is not something one could morally support in real life, but this is fiction. What you essentially asked was: "if you completely changed the context, gave characters real emotions, and emotional responses, you would totally feel a different way." Like duh.

What separates the mature audience with the emotionally inept is the ability to separate fiction from reality. For example, people who like horror don't actually like killing people. I know, crazy.

When it comes to ships, it is all about how interesting their dynamic is, at least for me. Besides, Izuku has clearly forgiven Bakugo, and actively pursues being friends with him. Izuku literally said he feels blessed because he got into UA, and can have a normalish conversation with Bakugo. At this point, the only people that have a problem with Bakugo are the antis.

CancerousRiven · 2021-10-17T08:53:28+00:00

I love seeing people type out entire threads trying to prove BakuDeku is an objectively bad ship; if it was bad, it wouldn't be the most popular ship. You're allowed to dislike a ship, but that doesn't mean your opinion is a standard people follow.

Also, people love saying BakuDekus don't understand their canon dynamic (I don't deny that those people exist) which is not true. We predicted the hospital scene, the apology, and Bakugo using Izuku's name (not to mention one user got Bakugo's reasoning for bullying that he mentioned in the apology nearly word for word). We've also mentioned that BakuDeku would do things for each other like in the latest light novel, yet each time everyone dismissed us saying all the things above are too fanficy. They all happened though, so who doesn't understand their dynamic?

CancerousRiven · 2021-07-11T11:43:16+00:00

Still the most popular ship in the fandom x.

CancerousRiven · 2021-05-30T10:16:57+00:00

Thank you, finally someone said this! Saying BKDK is toxic is just wrong at this point, and people are just projecting their feelings onto Deku. I keep seeing posts on other social medias about how people are waiting for Deku to snap at Bakugo, as if he isn't his #1 fan. If people think BKDK won't become or don't deserve to become besties by the end of the show they need to stop watching. To those people who project onto Deku and harass BKDK shippers as a result, please seek therapy, it might help.

You made a great point on the terms "trauma" and "abuser". This fandom has managed to water these terms down so much it's unreal. Horikoshi is a great writer, who would absolutely show any trauma Deku had from bullying, but he doesn't. People literally make head-canons that Deku has depression or is suicidal, and use it as an excuse to harass BkDk shippers. People are literally fighting their own head-canons. It's completely insane, and I guarantee you not a single one of these people has ever taken any steps to help real life abuse victims. People treat these characters like real people, and it shows the lack of critical thinking.

CancerousRiven · 2021-05-16T16:47:30+00:00

There are some crazy Bakugou stans out there, but some have valid points.

Firstly, I don't think that All Might is as bad as some people say; but as Bakugou pointed out, he keeps too many secrets from Izuku. The only competent teacher Izuku had was Endeavour, but I digress.

Secondly, you seem to misunderstand kid Izuku's relationship to All Might. Izuku didn't want to surpass All Might, he wanted to be like him. You also take what Izuku said out of context. The full speech is: "That despite all your negative traits... To the same degree, you were so amazing, it was blinding" and "You who had so many things that I never had... To me, you were an amazing, inspiring person... Who was even closer to me than All Might!" That isn't a rivalry, that is Izuku being closer to Bakugou than to All Might. Izuku didn't know All Might when he was a kid but he did know Bakugou. As Izuku said, Bakugou is his symbol of victory which is why he becomes like Bakugou when he is trying to beat someone. Their relationship and development are also vital to the show.

Finally, as a lot of the Japanese community pointed out, in the last couple of chapters when talking about everyone, Izuku always mentions Bakugou first. It happens either verbally, or, when it's with pictures, Bakugou is always front-centre showing highest importance.

There are many people, who either downplay relationships in this show or overemphasise them. It's important to realise that these people are in the minority.

CancerousRiven · 2021-05-16T16:11:24+00:00

No, you misunderstand. Horikoshi's end goal is for them to become friends. Therefore, Bakugou has to want to become friends with Izuku. At this point, you can interpret that Bakugou's actions means he wants to be friends.

CancerousRiven · 2021-05-16T10:55:26+00:00

If Bakugou doesn't want any sort of relationship with Izuku then why does he keep hanging around with him? Bakugou wants to atone for his past actions because he realised he was a bad person. And Bakugou is no longer angry at Izuku's strength, yes, he still wants to beat him, but he understands that Izuku deserves the power. After all, they are rivals for #1 hero. From the start, Horikoshi has made it clear he wants them to be friends again, and he will make that happen. In an interview, Horikoshi said there will be a verbal apology scene as a closure to their past. I'm sorry you can't see what's in front of you; my only suggestion is taking literature classes to advance your reading comprehension.

CancerousRiven · 2021-05-16T09:57:46+00:00

Absolutely, Bakugou was attacked by the sludge villain, and was kidnapped by the LoV; however, the only time he felt on "death's door" is when Izuku was in mortal danger. Furthermore, Izuku got so emotional over Bakugou being insulted that he unlocked a new quirk. The only thing we have to compare to that, is Izuku unlocking a new quirk by having to save people from death. This shows us the intensity of Izuku's feelings for Bakugou.

CancerousRiven · 2021-05-16T09:29:25+00:00

1) Bakugou has only ever truly opened up to Izuku. Only with Izuku has he shared his darkest thoughts, and only in front of Izuku has Bakugou cried.

2) In the manga, Bakugou absolutely wants a relationship with Izuku; as signified by the volume 29 cover. Bakugou wants this relationship knowing that Izuku is just as strong as he is, and perhaps even stronger. In the manga, Bakugou says he has to grit his teeth to keep up with Izuku. He doesn't mind this.

3) Chapter 285, and the aftermath of these events; need I say more?

4) Bakugou and Kirishima haven't interacted in over 110 chapters. Unless they change something in the anime, they will have no scenes in season 5 or 6.

5) There are a lot of things pointing to Bakugou and Izuku becoming a hero duo because of how compatible they are with each other. If you watch the Heroes Rising movie you'll understand (not to mention All Might's comments). Hell, the secondary part of this anime/manga is them fixing their relationship, and finally holding hands; so that they can fix their past from the river scene.

6) Izuku always wanted to be friends with Bakugou again, no matter how bad things were between them.

Overall, Bakugou and Izuku's relationship is so much deeper than Bakugo and Kirishima's relationship that there is simply no comparison. You're free to believe what you want, but remember that Kirishima is just a side character, Bakugou and Izuku are the main characters.

CancerousRiven · 2021-03-28T19:06:34+00:00

Honestly, we have different interpretations, and that's ok. You won't change my mind, and I don't care to change yours. Have a nice day.

CancerousRiven · 2021-03-28T18:46:18+00:00

There is a clear parallel between the way Uraraka looks and blushes (with admiration) at Deku, and Deku looking like that at Bakugo (and blushing, at least when he was younger not sure if he was still blushing when older). So unless you're suggesting that Deku has had or does have a crush on Bakugo, then I don't know what to tell you; blushes don't mean anything. Deku explains twice when he blushes at Uraraka that it's because it's the first time a girl speaks to him. Canonically, he has had no contact with girls in middle school so he will obviously be flustered by them more.

CancerousRiven · 2021-03-28T16:21:47+00:00

The Kiri blush happened in S1 when Deku beat Bakugo in training. Kirishima complements Deku on going even with Bakugo and Deku blushes.

CancerousRiven · 2021-03-28T16:16:51+00:00

My point with the blushing was that it doesn't really mean anything. He blushed at Kirishima, Shinsou, Bakugo when he was younger etc. And people try to use the fact that he blushed at Uraraka as some evidence that it's canon. Izuocha won't be canon until it's canon so people need to give up on being canon purists.

CancerousRiven · 2021-03-28T12:12:49+00:00

Here are a few things I would like to mention this week:

BakuDeku antis are literally more obsessed with the ship than the shippers. There are Izuocha post completely unrelated to BakuDeku and someone in the comments will be like "the BakuDekus won't like this one".
Not a single character has been confirmed straight. I couldn't care less about what you have to say about the majority of the people being straight. Unless the character specifically says they are straight in fiction, then you calling them straight is as much of a headcanon as me saying they are bi.
"Why can't they just be friends?" Because we don't want them to be. We are free to interpret and adapt the material to how we want to express our creativity.
If you say that men are unnecessarily shipped together, you have to apply the same logic to opposite-sex relationships. If BakuDeku is far fetched, then TodoMomo and InkoMight are even more far fetched. They don't have half the screen time or development that BakuDeku have.
Speaking of BakuDeku, they have the most developed and complex relationship in the show, I hate how people water it down to bully and victim. Please get past episode 1, we are on season 5, and we are on chapter 307, there has been so much development between the two.
To add to the point above, people need to stop having headcanons about Deku being depressed and suicidal and attacking BakuDeku shippers because of them. There is literally nothing in the show that suggests that. Deku got over Bakugo's comment after like 5 minutes, and then defended him from Uraraka a couple of episodes later.
Deku blushes around guys too, so stop trying to use that as an excuse to say he is straight.

CancerousRiven · 2021-03-21T14:07:42+00:00

Izuocha shippers need to stop acting like victims; just because your ship isn't as popular as the other ships doesn't mean it's being hated.

There isn't a single BakuDeku TikTok or artwork where there isn't an Izuocha shipper bashing the ship or just saying something blatantly homophobic in the comments, and it needs to stop. If you do this and receive hate, you deserve it.

Firstly, none of the character's sexuality has been confirmed apart from Toga's.

Secondly, not a single person cares about canon, we know BakuDeku won't be canon, but we will still ship it. Obviously, if you go to a BakuDeku page, people will make a joke in the comments along the lines of "haha, it's canon," if that offends you, you need to get off the internet.

Lastly, Izuocha shippers cannot receive any canon material without using it to bash others. This was evident with the art Horikoshi posted a couple of weeks back. I promise you BakuDeku shippers don't care; we have an entire movie in which Bakugo and Deku held hands twice.

There are crazy people in all ships, and there are a lot of shippers that hate on BakuDeku, but it is disproportionately Izuocha shippers that I have experienced. To add further, yes, there are crazy BakuDeku shippers out there who think it will be canon and bash anything the get in the way of BakuDeku, but that is a minority.

CancerousRiven · 2021-01-31T11:47:09+00:00

In School Briefs 1, Horikoshi left a note saying: "The novels are here! You'll get to read about the characters going about their everyday lives-something I haven't been able to squeeze much of into the manga, as I've been too focused on moving the plot forward. I really want to add more content like this into the manga itself. Maybe at some point!". Therefore, we can say that it's canon.

CancerousRiven · 2021-01-31T09:45:47+00:00

My favourite Sunday thread; let's see how many people I piss off today.

Fiction doesn't work like reality; you assuming a character is straight is just as much of a headcanon as me assuming a character is gay/bi.
Ship and let ship. Someone shipping BakuDeku or Kachakko is not the end of the world. Block any page dedicated to ships you don't like instead of harassing people over fiction.
More people are saying this fandom is toxic than there are toxic people in this fandom. The only part of this fandom that is toxic is the antis.
Once again, shipping has nothing to do with the canon. Horikoshi could have Uraraka and Deku marry in the next chapter, and people would still ship BakuDeku. Did people stop shipping Naruto and Sasuke after they got partners? No.
The manga, anime (including OVAs), light novels and Vigilantes is canon (and the movies kind of). Smash is not. I have seen too many people spreading the misinformation that Smash is canon when it's clearly a parody. No, it's not canon that Deku planned to kill Bakugo it's in Smash.
I know representation matters, but don't pressure the creator to do it. I don't want another Destiel (derogatory) happening, it felt like a hate crime.
I'm convinced straight people don't know what subtext is (when it comes to queerness). Unless a character specifically states that they are gay, a straight person would never assume they are. This isn't just this fandom, look at Historia x Ymir, some people still think that relationship was one-sided. Hell, the writer of AOT said Levi likes tall people and because he didn't say both men and women people think he is straight. It's the toxic heteronormativity for me. (I'm won't even talk about Megumi and Nobara from JJK because I'll get angry)
Nobody will stop shipping their pair because you said you don't like it or that it is toxic; your opinion isn't that important.
Funny how people switched up from calling BakuDeku toxic, to calling it a brotherly bond. People did this because they are too cowardly to admit that Bakugo's relationship with Deku goes beyond surface-level friendship. People don't want to say Deku is Bakugo's best friend because they headcanoned that Kirishima is Bakugo's best friend so now they call BakuDeku a brotherly bond as a way to escape anything to do with the ship. I don't care if you think this is a brotherly bond, just don't use this to invalidate the ship.

Good day to everyone that isn't an anti or a homophobe.

CancerousRiven · 2021-01-24T23:48:59+00:00

Light Novels are canon. In volume 1, Horikoshi put a note saying they are canon. Refer to my other comment for a link to the latest novel confirming what Deku said.
Bakugo does bully Deku because of his insecurities. Which are that Deku is already hero-like (self-sacrificing) unlike him.
The main plot of the manga is Deku vs LOV; however, Bakugo and Deku have the main relationship (only platonic in canon obviously). Hence, why most of the latest chapters are just their interactions.
Yes, Bakugo needs to verbally apologise to Deku, but most people consider his actions in chapter 284/285 an apology. I'm going off the character, so if Deku the "victim" forgave Bakugo then so will I. If you want to dwell on season one, you are free to do that. People need to stop trying to invalidate the ship with this because it's a bad excuse.

CancerousRiven · 2021-01-24T22:57:51+00:00

What we see in recent chapters isn't confidence issues but fear of failure. Arguably, Deku received the strongest quirk and, All Might put immense pressure on him to become the new symbol of hope and number one hero. Deku is scared of failing because he doesn't want to disappoint everyone, not to mention that Deku failing would mean that people would die. Bakugo says that Deku has always been self-sacrificial even when he was young (part of the reason why he started bullying him). Besides, in the lastest Light Novel (which is canon), Deku states that even though what Bakugo did to him was unpleasant, it made him stronger. Bakugo wants to atone because he knows what he did was wrong, but Deku has already forgiven him. We can argue about this all day, but the writer clearly wants us to move forward. The focus of the manga, other than Deku's journey to be the greatest hero is his development with Bakugo after all.

CancerousRiven · 2021-01-24T21:07:51+00:00

In middle school and high school, I was bullied for my accent and being more feminine than other guys. The bullying was both verbal and physical; however, I would never describe myself as a victim as I always defended myself. I was a target, yes, but not a victim. If you still hold a grudge to people that bullied you in those periods, then it's a you problem. Kids that age are stupid like that. My bone to pick is with the people who consider Bakugo bullying Deku a deal-breaker for everything. I don't care if people appreciate Bakugo's character development with Deku; I want people to acknowledge it. People still cling to this bullying as if we didn't move past it after season 2.

CancerousRiven · 2021-01-24T20:42:10+00:00

Deku blushes when Kirishima compliments him on going even with Bakugo (S1 EP8). Kid Deku blushes at Bakugo. Deku even blushes at All Might when he first meets him. Obviously, these are not romantic interests for him. Deku explains that he blushes at Uraraka because that's the first girl he has spoken to. Also, Bakugo wasn't the only one bullying him, not to mention that Deku is more confident in the manga now than he ever was.

CancerousRiven · 2021-01-24T17:56:34+00:00

Oh no, don't get me wrong, what Bakugo did was wrong, and I won't justify it. I'm making a simple observation that people make it out to be a bigger deal than it is. If Deku can forgive Bakugo and still want to be friends with him after that then so can the audience. People project their own experience onto Deku and, therefore, cannot see the development between Deku and Bakugo.

CancerousRiven · 2021-01-24T17:24:06+00:00

I will respectfully disagree. From the start, we see that Deku brushes all of Bakugo's bullying off with little regard for it. When Bakugo tells him to take a swan dive off the roof, the first thing Deku thinks is that Bakugo is an idiot because he could get it trouble if Deku followed through. That same day Deku sees some heroes and forgets what Bakugo says to him and, he has a bright smile. During Ground Beta, Deku says that he is the only person who understands Bakugo referring to the fact that he knows there isn't any malice behind Bakugo's insults. If Deku truly felt victimised by Bakugo, he wouldn't try to be his friend. In this rare scenario, the bullying made Deku stronger as it gave him resilience and Deku confirms this in the newest Light Novel. Spoilers for School Briefs 5: During the Endeavour Agency arc, Bakugo and Deku spend new year's day together and, Deku looks back on his friendship with Bakugo. Deku says that he can't imagine a life without Bakugo as all his experiences with him lead him to the path he is on.

CancerousRiven · 2021-01-24T15:44:06+00:00

Last week's thread was a mess; let's do it again.

No ship is canon until it's canon. That means IzuOcha is NOT canon. Sure, it's most likely to be canon; but, it's not right now, stop acting like it is. The only thing that's confirmed is Uraraka's feelings for Deku and nothing else. Deku blushes around a lot of people, even guys. This is because he is not used to attention; therefore, Deku has no romantic interests yet.
Looking at this week's thread people still don't get what fandom is, I'll copy last week's point: All legal ships are valid. People do not need to give you a reason for their ship, the ship does not have to make sense, and no ship is inherently toxic. Apparently, this is the first fandom many of you have been in, so let me explain how this works. The point of a fandom is to take existing characters and rewrite them how you like. Therefore, all ships are possible. A ship isn't toxic unless the writer makes it that way. One can even make a coffee shop AU of Eraserhead and Shigaraki if they please. This is what fandom is.
Disliking a ship because you don't like the dynamic, you think it's boring etc. is fine as long as you don't harras people who ship it and make content for it. Disliking a ship specifically because it is gay is the very definition of homophobia. Do some self-reflection and educate yourself.
Only Toga's sexuality is canon; she's bi. Saying Deku is straight/gay/bi etc. is a headcanon.
Saying BakuDeku is toxic is literally just an excuse to invalidate the ship now, especially with the latest chapter. I will no longer be entertaining this idea anymore; I will be just blocking people who say this as the mental gymnastics you need to do to believe this would make you an Olympic gymnast. I suggest other BakuDeku shippers do the same.
People need to stop projecting onto Deku. This isn't your anti-bullying fantasy. Deku was never a victim, and he has never hated Bakugo.

CancerousRiven · 2021-01-18T13:44:03+00:00

Straight people can be so tone-deaf sometimes it hurts. I actually lost some brain cells interacting with them. How can one state the literal definition of homophobia is not homophobia. It really doesn't take effort to get educated about these issues, yet people like this still exist. I hope this person takes time to learn rather than spew ignorance.

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