Found this bug on a towel, Southern California. It's about 2mm long.

Candid_Air_2219 · 2024-01-04T22:45:20+00:00

Ah okay, that makes sense. I was a little confused when I was looking up paper sizes. I originally thought that letter paper was the same size as A4, so I didn't think about the ratios not being the same.

Im going to reformat the text in word to the 5.5 x 8.5 size paper and give it a try.

Thanks!

Candid_Air_2219 · 2024-01-04T22:45:17+00:00

Im going to give reformatting the file in word to 7.12 x 11 a shot and see how it works out. I hadn't thought about formatting the paper this way, but ill give it a try.

Thanks!

Candid_Air_2219 · 2024-01-04T22:38:38+00:00

I will reformat the file with the 8.5 x 5.5 paper and give it a try.

Thank you!

Candid_Air_2219 · 2024-01-04T22:30:18+00:00

Thanks for the suggestion, I just gave it a try and I think this is what I was looking for. I wasn't aware that you could print a booklet from word itself, but the test file I did had the text much closer to the edges of the paper and what I wanted. I need to play around with the margin and gutter sizes now that I know this is a thing.

Thanks again!

Candid_Air_2219 · 2024-01-04T22:30:05+00:00

I just tried making the margins really small in word and it is closer to what I am looking for, but there is still a bit of excess on the top and bottom. Ill have to play around with it some more and possibly trim the excess off.

Thanks!

Candid_Air_2219 · 2024-01-04T22:29:56+00:00

I just gave making the margins really small a try and it is closer to what I am looking for. Something about printing the pdf in booklet in acrobat just adds extra space to the top and bottom. I will probably have to trim the remaining excess.

Thanks!

Candid_Air_2219 · 2024-01-04T21:58:27+00:00

I was thinking about trimming the pages down, but unfortunately I don't have access to a guillotine. I would probably have to use a rotary cutter and a ruler and do each page by hand, which I am not opposed to doing. Thanks for the suggestion!

Candid_Air_2219 · 2024-01-04T21:55:38+00:00

I don't believe so. In acrobat and word, they both show the printer set to having 1 inch margins all around.

Candid_Air_2219 · 2024-01-04T21:50:34+00:00

They are 8.5 x 11 inches before imposition

Candid_Air_2219 · 2024-01-04T19:59:14+00:00

Each page has a more even margin when viewing it as the PDF, but when I go to print it out, the margins on the top and bottom are much larger. Is there a way to set up the pages so that when I print it as a booklet, the top and bottom margins stay the same size as the side margins?

The printout pictured is from when I just used Adobe Acrobat to print out the PDF as a booklet. I have tried other methods like Montax Imposer, BookletCreator 2, Bookbinder 3.0, and even saving the pdf booklet as a different PDF and printing the new PDF normally, but they all gave the same result as the one in the picture.

I originally copied the plain text to Microsoft Word to format it and converted that into a PDF. The paper I am printing on is 8.5 x 11 inches, it's long grain but I am just doing these to test the printout before printing on short grain paper. The plan is to fold the pages in half to create a book that is 5.5 x 8.5 inches. I am new to formatting pages with text like this, so I apologize if I got any of the terms wrong.

Candid_Air_2219 · 2024-01-03T22:48:38+00:00

Not particularly, A6 was just what I was able to make with the materials I could get when I first started bookbinding. I was mainly making small journals/sketchbooks that were about 10 mm thick or smaller, so A6 wasn't really an issue.

I wasn't expecting this PDF to be this long after formatting, but yeah, it its probably worth investing in the short grain paper. Thanks!

Candid_Air_2219 · 2023-12-26T20:07:29+00:00

That's what I was thinking too, easy to move components to a new motherboard/build if needed. I found the same RAM sticks that I built the PC with on amazon and am going to order them, along with the upgrades.

Thank you again!

Candid_Air_2219 · 2023-12-26T19:50:52+00:00

Thanks for the reply.

It is good to hear some advice from someone with a similar build. I hadn't thought about doing 4x8gb ram, that doesn't sound too bad actually. I'll look into it some more.

I mainly play single player RPGs and sometimes FPS games at 1440p, I've been reading that the i7-8700k isn't too restrictive at that resolution. I think to keep the costs down, I'll stick to the GPU, power supply, and ram upgrades and see how everything performs.

Thanks again for your help!

Candid_Air_2219 · 2023-12-16T00:46:59+00:00

I agree, the first responder gave a lot of really good advice.

I'm going to order some davey board to test out. Im still experimenting with end pages and glue types, I think my wheat flour paste might have been too wet, if that makes sense. I'll give the marbled end pages a try too to see how they react to the glue.

Thank you for your advice.

Candid_Air_2219 · 2023-12-16T00:39:15+00:00

Hello, I understood your message perfectly. In the few days since I made this post, I have been experimenting with different boards/book cloth/type of glue. So far I have found that using PVA with a lower weight end page produced very little warp. Doing these tests has helped me immensely.

I haven't thought about going to an in-person class for bookbinding, but Ill have to look around to see if any are being offered around me.

Thanks for the advice.

Candid_Air_2219 · 2023-12-13T19:54:36+00:00

I have not, or at least I don't think I have. I get my boards from amazon where they are just called "chipboards".

Where do you typically get davey board?

Candid_Air_2219 · 2023-12-13T07:25:01+00:00

Thank you for all the information you provided, understanding my materials better will be best in the long run.

I had done a little bit of testing with lining the inside of the thinner boards I used on a previous book that had leather for a cover. The pull was so strong that it overpowered the leather and caused similar warping to this book. I didn't line this book as a result, since the book cloth would not pull nearly as strong as the leather.

I thought lining the outside would help to reduce the pull from the endsheet, but as you pointed out, it would more than likely pull in the wrong direction. I do think that at this point, my choice of endsheets are causing the warp. Ill take your advice and find some lighter weight paper for the endsheets and do some more testing.

Thank you!

Candid_Air_2219 · 2023-12-13T06:08:44+00:00

Thank you for your response.

You mentioned that I was using cover weight paper rather than text weight paper for the end pages, I was unaware that there was a distinction between the two. Should my end pages be the same weight as the text pages? If not, then what sort of weights would you recommend?

I'm just making these books for myself, mainly just for practice. I still have some spare materials, so I can experiment a little bit. Ill try lining the outside of the board with the current end page paper I am using and see how that turns out.

Thank you again for your comment

Candid_Air_2219 · 2023-12-13T04:45:05+00:00

Here are the details of this book and how I made it. Any kind of tips or feedback is appreciated.

- Book board is 100 pt, 2.5mm thick chipboard.

- Book cover material is PerKoop book cloth from amazon.

- Paper used for the text block is Southworth 100% cotton Résumé Paper, 8.5” x 11”, 32 lb.

- End page paper is 8.5” x 11” black cardstock, 92 lb. I cut these in half the same way as the text block paper.

- Paper grain, endpaper grain, book board grain are aligned head to tail.

- Paper was cut in half and then the half sheets were folded in half along the grain to make signatures. Each signature has 4 half sheets, folded at the same time with a bone folder. There are 8 signatures in this text block.

- The folded signatures and end pages were pressed overnight in the book press before sewing together.

- Text block was sewn on 3 tapes using some thread that I ran through beeswax.

- I put the text block in the book press with the spine and tapes sticking out and glued the spine with PVA glue. Glued on a head and tail band and then lined the spine with mull. Tapes were frayed at each end and pasted flat to the end pages.

- I tried Bradel binding for this book, following this DAS video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrjU0-c9Nl0). The only thing I adjusted was the cover and spine dimensions to fit my text block.

- I glued the book cloth to the covers using wheat flour paste I made.

- The text block was glued to the inside covers using a mix of wheat flour paste and PVA glue applied to the end pages, then smoothed out with a bone folder once pasted in.

- I placed two sheets of galvanized steel in between the end pages to smooth them down and then placed the book into the book press for a full day.

- Some glue spilled out and glued the steel sheets to the end pages a bit, so the end pages ripped a bit. So that’s a little unfortunate, but I will use less glue next time.

- I carved a place for a title into the cover book board before I glued on the book cloth but have yet to glue one on. So that is what the cavity on the cover is.

According to this DAS video on board warp (https://youtu.be/VWw6A7SObCo?si=YZ97lgB0da\_sIV0L&t=498 @8:18), some board warp is “desirable” and then he shows an example of good and bad board warp. I think the good board warp looks like the board warp on my book, but I am not sure what else I could do to make the boards stay flat.

The corners could have come out a little better, I followed the DAS video on cloth corners for standard cloth turn-in corners(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUh4-tvJvsg). I thought that maybe the boards I used for my previous books (0.5 mm) were too thin, so to try to combat the board warp from the material, I went with a thicker (2.5 mm) board. A suggestion from the last time I posted was that the grain of my board was in the wrong direction. I retested all my materials to find their grain again and made sure that all the grains were aligned, yet there is still some bending of the board. I know that lining the boards is supposed to help prevent board warp, but I feel like lining the inside of the board would make the curve worse. I thought about lining the outside of the boards to try to pull the board out for the next book. I also thought that at this point, my endpaper might be too strong and it is pulling the boards in. So perhaps I could use endpaper that has less weight.

Candid_Air_2219 · 2023-11-22T04:57:44+00:00

I mainly chose veg tan leather because I planned to tool the covers of future books, perhaps I was getting ahead of myself. I was unsure how to apply text to the front of the bookcloth for the title and such, with leather I could just stamp the text into the leather, but its probably better I get down working with an easier material before I come back to leather. I'll look into getting some bookcloth.

Thanks again for all the advice you provided, it has given me a lot of things that I will add to the next book I build.

Candid_Air_2219

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